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There's nothing the Bills can do against the Jests that will make me "feel better" about this team's chances about accomplishing anything but possibly finishing with more wins than the Jets. After watching the offense in preseason, I'm not sure that the Bills will be competitive with any of their opponents except the Jests, Saints or Colts.

For a poor team, the opening game of the season might be the easiest game to win since their opponent won't have much film of real plays to figure out what they might do. That's why opening day upsets are so common. When two poor teams meet up in the opener, just about anything can happen.

You made a dumb statement. I responded in kind.

You've been a Bills fan too long because you're beginning to think like the bean counters who have been really running the team for the last seventeen years. Teams, at least teams that are remotely interested in winning football games, don't trade away young franchise QBs unless there's something seriously wrong with them, although I could see the Bills doing something that stupid to save a few millions in salary in the short term. After all, we all know that QBs are almost as easily replaceable as DBs, RBs, and WRs. FYI ... Half of all QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 have failed. Moreover, most drafts will yield only 1 franchise QB. A "good" draft will yield 1 franchise QB and 1 or maybe even 2 competent QBs on a par with Flacco, Dalton or Tannehill. Another problem is that it takes about 3 years to sift through the dirt to find the 1 who's a diamond. It will be interesting to see if Dak Prescott continues to have success because many times young QBs who look good as rookies/first year starters crash and burn over the long haul. Trent Edwards, Christian Ponder, and Colin Kaepernick all come to mind.

Seriously??? "Show them the way" to what? Where to buy tickets for playoff games? Unless they played for other teams that went to the playoffs, that's the only way any of the Bills veterans will ever attend one.

My point is simply that I don't think Belichick is tied to any philosophy except "winning is everything," and he does what he has to do to keep the team stocked, If he sees a veteran he likes being shopped, he's not shy about trading away a pick to grab him.

Agreed. I watched one of Miami's games (I think it was the third) and I was surprised at how well Cutler played. Cutler has always been a decent QB. His problem has always been that every so often he turns space cadet and throws an absolutely bizarre INT for apparently no rhyme or reason, and then he gets into a funk and falls apart. Since he's diabetic, maybe his blood sugar spikes or crashes and he loses focus for a bit. Whatever the reason, Gase certainly managed him well, and I second the idea that he's got many more weapons than he had in Chicago. Miami also has a pretty good OL and a decent D. I've never been a Tannehill fan. Like Andy Dalton, he's competent but he needs a good team around him for any kind of success, which is likely why the Bengals can get to the playoffs but don't do much when they get there.

The Bills haven't drafted terribly, especially since 2010. The problem is that they continually let too many good young players (especially DB, RB, and WR) leave after the rookie contracts, and then are forced to fill those voids with draft picks, leaving precious few picks for other positions. If the Bills had re-signed Gilmore and Woods/Goodwin, they wouldn't have had to use the #1 on White and their #2 on Jones in order to fill those voids. Trading Watkins was more of the same.

I think people are confused. Miller is the RG. He was decent last year, but has had some problems with the new blocking schemes (no, he hasn't gotten "complacent"!), and has been in "competition" with Vlad Ducasse who has played for Castillo before. Ducasse is a dog but he knows the blocking schemes, so he may have an edge. Mills is the RT. He struggled last season, and Dawkins was drafted to be his eventual replacement. Dawkins played LT in college (generally in college, the best OLer play LT but in the pros the skill sets are significantly different), so he's going to need time to adjust to his new position (everything is reversed, and not everybody can adjust to that quickly). Unfortunately, he didn't get as many reps at RT as intended because of Cordy Glenn's injury. It was probably unlikely that Dawkins would become the starting RT this season unless it was late in the year.

The Bills have used the cap as an excuse to get rid of players for almost 20 years. Early in the 2000s, the Bills had real cap issues and had to cut pricey veterans. Since then, under Donahoe, Brandon/Levy/Jauron trio, Nix, Whaley, and now Beane, they trade/cut/let go pricey veterans with depressing regularity, most notably DBs, RBs, and WRs. Then they use high draft picks to replace them with much cheaper rookies, which is why the Bills are always spinning their wheels and can't ever gather enough talent to have a balanced team that can win double digit games in a single season. Apparently, the Bills FO (higher up the food chain than Beane or other GMs) decides what it's willing to pay for DBs, RBs, and WRs that's not really anywhere near "market rate" for the players of the same caliber, so those players leave. The Bills have trained their fans to believe all the cago they spew that they're too "poor" to afford to keep their Pro Bowl CB or get the best offensive player on the team to re-sign the following year when, in fact, the Bills just don't wish to pay them. It's not a cap issue because frequently those ex-Bills end up signing with playoff teams loaded with pricey QBs and other players. It's primarily an attempt to maximize team profits by stinting on player salaries while managing to keep fans hopeful enough about the team's chances to sell tickets. IMO, the timing of the Watkins trade, after the first preseason game when the deadline to buy season tix had passed, was calculated to cash in on having Watkins on the team while shedding his 2017 salary. Extreme moneyball at its finest.

Obviously, you didn't watch how well "the same offensive line" from last year played in the new offensive scheme with new blocking schemes ... or you choose to ignore it. FYI, it wasn't "the same", either, most notably that LT Cordy Glenn only played in the last preseason game and useless veteran Vlad Ducasse pretended to play RG as much as Miller. Oh, and the offense could barely run two consecutive offensive plays without the offensive line incurring a holding penalty or two. The pass pro was rivaled the legendary pass protection put up by Dick Jauron's offensive offenses of a few years ago.

Seems like the sour grape juice is flowing like a river among certain TBD members. It might just be that Watkins will make Goff a better QB just the way that AJ Green has made Andy Dalton better. It's amazing how much a QB's play can improve when he has protection and targets ... or fall off if his team messes up his OL and trades away his best target.

Since you're so interested, prove him wrong by providing an example of a team that did swap out 41 of 63 players as well as hiring on a new coaching staff and FO. I can think of one that might fit that criteria but I'm not going to waste my time figuring out how much the roster changed. I'll give you a hint: it was an AFC team and happened within the last decade.

In the real world of football that may be true, but in the fan universe of excuses, the frequency of use of the word "gelling" as applied to the OL is inversely related to how bad the OL plays. The more you hear fans claim the OL needs to "gel", the worse the OL has played.

I'm not sure if there's been all that significant a shift in Belichick's philosophy. I think he's the ultimate pragmatist who looks at his team's talent needs without preconceptions of how to fill those needs. The Pats under Belichick have always made judicious use of other team's cast off veterans. They acquired FA RB Antowan Smith (former Bill) who helped them to win their first SB in 2001. They stole Wes Welker from Miami for a second rounder. They've always been on the look-out for talented young vets who could help the team. When they've had veterans of their own who were marketable and young guys coming up to replace them, they've traded away the vets. Then, of course, when there are such obliging teams like the Bills around that shed their best talent like they were ducks drying their feathers, why bother with drafting unknown college talents when you can sign a young, Pro Bowl CB for a few $$ more?

How many season tix do you think would be sold for a team that had no QB? More to the point, Whaley was the GM until after the draft in late April, so it wasn't Beane's decision. They're not "pot shots" if they're accurate... The Bills have earned all the disrespect they've received over the years. #31 doesn't seem far fetched for them this season.

^^^ How many DBs have the Bills drafted in the first or second round in the last 20 years who were allowed to walk away in free agency after their rookie contracts despite the fact that they were clearly excellent players, several with Pro Bowl appearances on their resumes? How many times did the Bills then turn around and draft a replacement for said DB in the first or second round of the next draft? Allowing Gilmore to walk and then drafting White to replace him is simply the latest iteration of one of the Bills' favorite moves over the length of the playoff drought. It doesn't make the team better; it simply saves real $$$ for the organization. A first round rookie gets paid a whole lot less than a proven vet with Pro Bowl honors. Meanwhile, that first rounder could have been used to draft another OLer or DLer to groom to replace the aging vets on both lines!!! Guys like Kyle Williams and Richie Incognito will both be on the wrong side of 35 by next season. Several other members of both lines are on the wrong side of 30, too. Then there's the possibility of Vlad Ducasse pretending to play RG ... The Bills have similarly used first/second round picks on rent-a-RB for 20 years, too, beginning with Antoine Smith drafted in 1997, Travis Henry in 2001, Willis McGahee in 2003, Marshawn Lynch in 2007, and CJ Spiller in 2010. All of them had some success after they were traded/allowed to walk in FA, and Smith and Lynch have Super Bowl rings. Fans who have paid attention to the Bills over the years see the current regime doing the very same things that the failed regimes of the past have done. We recognize it for what it is: the way the Bills organization has operated for nearly two decades and we don't expect any more success from the new regime than any of the previous ones had.

Gel: the claim that a crappy offensive line will block better during the regular season because the guys will have come to know each other better during training camp and preseason. "The offensive line needs a little more time to gel." Translation: the OL sucks. Gel can apply to other units as well, but in B-lo, it's been applied to the OL for more than a decade.

Dennison may be an experienced play caller, but "maximizing the talent he has" doesn't seem to be something that he or McDermott care to do. If it was, the OL would still be using last year's blocking schemes and Vlad Ducasse wouldn't be on the team ... and Juan Castillo wouldn't be OL coach. Oh, and let's get something straight here: the OL was not "great" at run blocking last season. It was decent but many of its deficiencies were masked by Shady's talent. Being better than most of the OLs the Bills have fielded in recent memory does not make it all that great. It also wasn't all that good in third down situations, so the Bills frequently tried to pass on thirds and short, which usually didn't work because the OL was poor at pass protection. Oh, yeah, and Tyrod's running -- much of it forced by poor pass pro -- significantly contributed to the Bills rushing total. What, exactly, has McDermott done to merit excitement? In another post, you referenced Belichick. Well, sir, Belichick had a long resume before he ever joined the Patriots. He was the HC at Cleveland for several years and coached that team to playoff wins despite having rather limited resources, including a decent starting QB named Bernie Kosar who'll never be confused with Aaron Rodgers. He was the DC who designed the Giants' defense that won the Super Bowl over the much more talented Bills .. with a backup QB at the Giants' helm no less. He was considered one of the best defensive coaches in the league when NE hired him. That's what the suits in the second floor at OBD count on. They've got all their moves down pat. They keep shuffling the personnel decks, from GM to coaching staff to players and bringing in just enough star power to excite the fans into buying the "this might be the year" BS. After a disastrous 2017 campaign, the Bills will draft a QB in the first round of the 2018 draft and project him as "The Savior" ... just like they did Losman and Manuel ... and fans like you will lap it up. Stop and think about it -- you could be describing Dick Jauron. McDermott is a Jauron clone. He might have a tad more animation though. Numerous fans have been buzzing about "tanking", but I agree with you that it doesn't really exist. My point was that Beane and McDermott really do believe the line they spout -- that they're trying to keep the team competitive now while building a winning team in the future. Well, I call that BS. It's the very same BS that Dick Jauron spouted -- when he actually said something -- a decade ago, as he dismantled the modestly talent team he inherited and turned it into a collection of second stringers and special teamers. Jauron believed in play-not-to-lose-by-too-much football, and McDermott appears to believe in the same style, especially on offense: run twice, throw a short pass, punt.

Beane and McDermott are in the process of proving that Dick Jauron was a genius. Playing-not-to-lose-by-too-much is a sure-fire road to the Super Bowl!

This. Teams that play as poorly as the starters played in preseason don't make it to the playoffs. Don't worry, the Bills will draft a QB in the first round in 2018. The big question will be, will he at least be better than the previous two first round QBs the Bills took? The way the team played in preseason, most notably the supposed first team, suggests a serious lack of coaching acumen. Maybe Beane has his own supply of pixie dust to sprinkle over the team to make it better.

ROTFLMAO! When have I heard this song before??? Every time the Bills change HCs!!!! Honey chile, the Bills aren't going to sacrifice 1 season, they're going to continue to sacrifice all their seasons into the foreseeable future! They have one of the oldest rosters in the NFL because they continually send their best younger players packing rather than pay them just like they've done over the last 15 or so years! They don't plan for the future at all: they have a 35-year-old starting LG and a 30+ year old starting C and no player on the team who even remotely could adequately replace them ... and the right side of the line remains a sieve. Kyle Williams is 34 or 35, and it's likely Dareus will be gone before next season. What do the Bills do for DTs then??? Preston Brown is coming up on a contract year next year or the one after. He's probably all ready slated to be gone. Then they'll replace the older players drafted by previous administrations with rookies and waiver wire dumpster finds and be one of the youngest teams in the league ... and THAT will be their excuse. The Bills have been "building" and then "rebuilding" for 17 years and have all of two -- count 'em! -- winning seasons of 9-7 to show for all that personnel change. The only difference between Beane and McDermott and Whaley and Marrone or Ryan is that they're not their predecessors. Enjoy your fantasy of some overhyped college QB taking the Bills to the Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years this season because it ain't happening. McDermott and Beane and the bean-counters in the Bills FO have insured that it's not happening. Oh, and BTW, all the failed GM/HC regimes over the last 17 have made all these same dumbassed moves at one time or another in the past ... including drafting a QB in the first round.

This isn't a "tank" ... at least not intentionally. That's the really scary part. They really believe their own BS.

Nailed it, dude!!!

Exactly this. I've been a Bills fan since 1963 but this team appears to be built to be a clone of the play-not-to-lose-by-too-much teams of 2008-2009 fielded by Dick Jauron. I gave up my seasons after the 2008 season when Jauron was rehired. I don't think that this Bills team can be as epically bad as the Bills teams of the most of the 1970s and 1980s only because in the salary cap era, talent is more spread out, although Beane and McDermott have done their best to dilute much of what the Bills had. I'm not going to waste my time this fall watching this latest version of the Bills flounder around on field, out-coached and out-classed talent-wise. My guess is that what we saw from the first team in the third preseason game is simply a foreshadowing of what the regular season will look like. Teams that don't play well in preseason seldom play better in the regular season. I got NFL Sunday ticket so that I can specifically follow Seattle and any other team that's in an interesting game ... as well as follow the Rams to see how Sammy does. I wouldn't be surprised if he scores more TDs himself this season than the Bills score passing TDs.