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That's easy. I think that McDermott is an excellent HC. His teams are well disciplined, and he gets the most out of the talent he has.

You obviously choose to ignore what doesn't fit your narrative. Below is the first post in this thread. I think declaring Daboll god just might qualify as a poster going "over the top positive after the first preseason game" but maybe that's just me being my usual negative self.

How dare you NOT blindly jump on the Beane/McDermott bandwagon! You are definitely a TROLL! What do you mean by "meaningless"? Didn't the Browns go 4-0 last preseason? If all these Bills cheerleaders watched some of the other preseason games on the NFL network, they'd see that most of the teams expected not to be playoff contenders probably looked "better than expected". Most of the QBs who played in Preseason Game 1 looked competent or better. Those should be red flags warning fans not to read a whole lot into success in Preseason Game 1.

Actually, even if a QB looks good in"some games in the regular season", it might not mean much. Both Trent Edwards and Mark Sanchez looked pretty good as rookie QB starters. They even started out their sophomore seasons very well. Unfortunately, neither one progressed as QBs beyond where they were early in their sophomomore seasons. Most QBs who become starters early on and then fail frequently follow this pattern of looking good up to a certain point, and never getting any better.

IIRC, Zay looked pretty good in preseason but couldn't catch a cold in the regular season, so I'm not jumping on his bandwagon until he starts producing when the games actually count.

It's getting lots of hype on NFL network, so there's going to be a big national audience. If he's playing with their 2s vs our 2s, probably. I think Allen could have a good outing against their 2s on defense but our 2s on offense may not be good enough. Agreed. He looked better than lots of teams veteran backups, most notably Paxton Lynch.

Tell that to Derrius Guice, the Redskins, and their fans.

Bradford was a proven starter. He still is. Peterman played well in a couple of series in the first preseason game ... he also played decently in the preseason as a rookie and then screwed the pooch when he got his opportunity to start in the regular season. I don't think the Bills will get much for Peterman even if he shines in preseason.

I agree. I watched the replay of the game. Lynch's performance was easily the worst one by a QB that I saw among the first preseason games. One of the Denver announcers said that he hadn't developed at all, but his performance really wasn't even acceptable for a rookie QB much less a third year veteran. Lynch doesn't seem to have a future even as a backup. Kelly looked really good, but he followed Lynch which made him look even better.

Isn't your statement a perfect example of a "sense of entitlement" ....justifying why some idiot throws away a rare career opportunity simply because the specific job situation doesn't meet his standards?

My thought exactly. He'll stick with the Bills for 2018 simply because we don't have anybody better than him ... although if the Bills scour the waiver wire after final roster cut down, that may not remain true.

Right-o. Good coaching fixes everything. So, why isn't Dareus still on the Bills?

I think Allen's accuracy is decent enough. Certainly it doesn't appear to be terminal to his becoming a franchise QB if he can master all the other stuff he needs to master, and it's that other "stuff" that will likely determine his fate more than his accuracy (or lack of same). I'm more concerned that Allen demonstrate that he makes good decisions based on making the right reads as quickly as possible ... and that only comes with some experience, so it's going to take him a season or more to show if he can do it consistently.

In what alternative universe are the Bills "a good Quarterback away from being a top 15 scoring offense"? Their OL struggled last season and lost three members over the off season, none of whom were replaced by players with equivalent talent. They had 1 NFL caliber WR last season, and that's about what they've got this year. The TEs are decent. The only position group that they've upgraded on offense is RBs ... because Ivory is better than Tolbert. Neither McCarron nor Peterman are starter material, and Allen is a rookie who is going to get dumped into a bad situation probably much sooner than he should because the other two either get hurt or suck miserably. Keep spinning fantasies.

I think that the Bills' issue will be that the awful offense is going to kill the defense's effectiveness -- they're going to have to defend too many short fields, they're going to be on the field too much, and if the defense can't score TDs, the Bills offense isn't going to score many, so how long is the defense going to be able to hold up under the pressure of not only doing their own job but constantly trying to recover from offensive mistakes? I agree that Josh Allen is the Bills only hope for offensive respectability of any kind, but that's not going to happen this season because without an NFL caliber OL or WR corps, not only is the passing game DOA, but the running game is going to be an anemic shadow of itself because of the poor OL and no threat of a passing game. I think getting a top 3 pick in the 2019 draft is very likely, and the #1 pick a real possibility. Getting 5 wins will be quite an accomplishment ... and I wouldn't bet more than I can afford to lose on them winning at least that many games. The Bills may not be the worst team in the NFL, but I think that they are the most unbalanced, and I think that's why they're going to lose a lot of games despite having a what appears to be a stout defense ... and that's not even factoring in injuries.

Buffalo ... Turning third overall picks into 6th round conditionals since 2017. Buffalo ... Turning fourth overall picks into 2nd rounders since 2017.

Maybe beating the crap out of some guy is how Coleman broke his hand not once, but twice ...

What's there to be "thoughtful" about? Mitchell isn't healthy enough to play. Even if I thought a one-legged WR might be faster than some of the guys currently listed as WRs for Bills, I would consider it unethical. I think the NFLPA would, too.

That the Bills are still scouring the bargain table at some church rummage sale for WRs because the WRs currently on the roster are by and large not NFL caliber players. It's not the giving up of a 7th round pick two years out that's troubling ... it's that so many TBD members believe this move is anything but a desperate attempt to cover up the Bills FO's failure to give Allen any kind of meaningful help with the passing game, and that Coleman's going to magically improve when he comes to Buffalo. How a "change of scenery" is going to improve Coleman's pass catching ability and route running, two knocks on him from his college days, seems like serious wishful thinking ... but then Bills fans have lived on that for the last two decades, so most are well trained. Did going to the Jests turn Aaron Maybin into a NFL caliber player? Nope, and this trade in no way compares to the trade that brought Hughes to the Bills, either, since both Hughes and the player he was traded for, Kelvin Sheppard, were decent enough players playing in systems where they weren't good fits. They weren't busts, just not playing up to expectations. Both went on to have success, although Hughes had much more success than Sheppard. He probably had more raw talent, too, being a first rounder while Sheppard was a fourth rounder. My guess is that the Browns were going to cut Coleman if they couldn't trade him, and that the Bills were the only team that offered them even the equivalent of used athletic equipment for him ... Maybe if they had waited, they could have gotten him for nothing, but the Bills move smacks of desperation. If another team's bust is an upgrade, that speaks volumes about the poor quality of the Bills WR corps ... and volumes more about the quality of the Bills talent evaluation that obviously misjudged the quality of the WRs currently on the roster. But you fanboys continue to spin your fantasies for a while ....

Because he can't stay healthy and can't catch the ball, which tend to be fatal flaws for WRs.

Well, I'm sorry if I deal with reality rather than pretending that the Bills situation, past and present, is all rainbows and unicorns.

The fact is, though, that they are NOT on the Bills even though the Bills drafted them in the first round. The Bills continue to be the NFL's premier farm team, developing top players for other teams, especially Super Bowl contenders like NE, Seattle and Philly. Yolo used 2009-2016, so I used those same year parameters. Being traded for a draft pick -- or allowed to walk away in FA -- seems to be the fate of virtually all the talented young players the Bills have developed since Donahoe was fired whether they were first rounders or UDFA. More than anything else, that's the reason why the Bills have made the playoffs only once in this entire century.

Kim Pegula's gender is irrelevant to her ability to be a competent NFL owner. I don't object to a defensive minded HC. I object to a HC who seems to be the philosophical reincarnation of Dick Jauron. I object to a HC/GM who seem to treat the offense as an afterthought ... or something nasty they stepped in. What I really object to, though, is a GM who seems to share same philosophy as Russ Brandon (the guy who hired him). IMO, that's the real problem with the Bills organization: it's still operating under Brandon's philosophy (which was Ralph Wilson's as well) that puts profits before wins. The Bills seem to still be unwilling to pay the quality young veterans they draft and develop, so the revolving door of repeatedly using high draft picks to replace young vets who leave continues and prevents the Bills from adding the pieces they need to compete with teams like the Pats. I object to a HC/GM who seem to treat the offense as an afterthought ... or something nasty they stepped in. I object to a FO that sheds talented veterans and replaces them with busts and never weres and pretends the guys they grab out of the trash are "just as good" as the solid NFLers who left. Bills fans ALWAYS have excuses for why the Bills can't compete. How come the Bills are supposedly up against the capAGAIN when they're NOT paying a franchise QB or a franchise edge rusher? All they have is a marquee RB and a nice pass catching TE. If they've got too much "dead cap" money on the books, then maybe the organization needs to look at how their supposed "cap expert" designs contracts ... and why they need to trade away talent veterans. Excuse me, but this is total nonsense. The last time I looked Minnesota, Green Bay, New England, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Denver, and the New York City metro hardly qualify as "warm weather cities". Nor has New York State's supposedly "highest tax rate tax rate in the country" discouraged many multimillionaires from living in New York City and its suburbs. This is simply political propaganda used as another excuse for the Bills failure to be competitive in the NFL. Winning organizations attract FAs, not climate or attractions or taxes. The Bills added a bust who wasn't good enough to make the Cleveland Browns, and you're pretending they acquired an All Pro? Maybe your fellow Beane/McDermott fan boys buy that cago but not everybody is as gullible as you are.

In theory, your conclusion is right on ... but except for Bodine and the rookie Teller, who have the Bills added who wasn't on the team last season? Ducasse, who simply hasn't been starter quality at any time in his 8 or 9 year career, appears to be the only guy who fit Dennison's zone scheme. The question is only partly whether Daboll is smarter than Dennison, but assuming that he is, is there any realistic hope that the 2018 OL can be even as good as the 2017 version given the drop in talent level since the Bills have essentially replaced three above average OLers with below average starters/backup players?

Kinda late for being "really concerned" don't you think? They didn't bother drafting any WRs until the 6th and 7th rounds of 2018. It's more like they're bargain hunting at a rummage sale. ^^^ The Bills haven't done significantly better ... 2016 ... Shaq Lawson 2015 ... no first rounder 2014 ... Sammy Watkins 2013 ... EJ Manuel 2012 ... Stephon Gilmore 2011 ... Marcell Dareus 2010 ... CJ Spiller 2009 ... Aaron Maybin & Eric Wood