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They also went out and signed Whitworth, Cinci's long time LT, in FA. IOW, the Rams gave Goff better protection and better targets. The improved OL enabled Gurley to run wild. This year they added more talent on both sides of the ball, which is key, because even great offensive teams can't depend on putting up 30 or 40 points a game. In today's NFL, between the salary cap and high player salaries, successful HCs coaches need to be exactly that because teams that want to win consistently can't afford to get rid of a talented DT and incurr a $13+ million dead cap hit just because he and the HC or his DC don't see eye to eye. Make a good hire in the first place works for me. That's where there needs to be some kind of "process". The Bills have never really done that, and the Pegulas aren't any better than Wilson in that regard. My guess is that Terry Pegula doesn't hire key personnel for his enterprises simply on a whim like he did Rex Ryan. I also doubt he turns over full control of any of his enterprises/projects to people who've never held similar jobs before like he did with McDermott and Beane.

Jauron was an incompetent game day coach, and McDermott is infinitely better. However, Jauron was not nearly as ruthless as McDermott has been in getting rid of players to bring in "his guys". It wasn't until 2009 that Jauron succeeded in gutting the team. It's barely been a year and a half since McDermott was hired, and the team is as talentless, perhaps even more so, than Jauron's 2009 roster. I'd say that makes McDermott worse than Jauron.

I have no problem with McDermott as a HC. I would prefer him to be less conservative myself but I think he's capable of getting the most out of the talent he's got. In that he's probably significantly better than Levy. I think that if he had had the teams that Levy had, he'd have brought at least one Lombardi to Buffalo. However, giving him control of personnel has already proven disastrous. He absolutely seems unwilling to tolerate players who don't fit his narrow mold, as the trading of Watkins and Dareus last season demonstrated. Both trades had serious negative consequences for the team on the field in 2017, and the Dareus trade saddled the 2018 team with a huge cap hit as well as necessitating a major investment in a new DT that prevented the Bills from addressing other needs in FA. Beane's handling of the personnel e v a l and acquisition, even in his short tenure, is seriously suspect. The result is that in less than about a year and a half, McDermott and Beane have taken a middle of the pack roster in need of upgrades and turned it into an expansion-team level roster that resembles Swiss cheese. In this respect, McDermott is worse than even Dick Jauron who took about 3 seasons to gut the Bills roster.

If McDermott really felt that getting a QB was an "absolute necessity", why didn't he grab Mahomes or Watson in 2017 when the Bills had the 10th overall pick? Having won the power struggle with Whaley, he ran the 2017 draft, and he traded back to take a DB and get an extra first rounder in 2018, which is nice but a team doesn't build a winning team by missing opportunities, especially when obtaining a better QB is an "absolutely necessity", and McDermott missed a big opportunity. Of course, taking Mahomes or Watson would have eliminated McDermott/Beanes favorite excuse that they had to trade away current talent in order to move up to draft a QB. AMEN!!!!

It says that at least he has potential to get better because he's so raw and a rookie. That's better than Ducasse, Bodine or Newhouse.

Peters is a two time All Pro and a nine time Pro Bowler who has come back twice from devastating injuries (Achilles and ACL). In his prime, he was acknowledged as the best LT in the NFL, and even at the end of his career, he's still embarrassingly better than any OLer the Bills have ever had before or since. He's one of the greatest LTs in the NFL since the merger. Mack's a newbie compared to Peters. When his career's finished, we'll see how he compares to the greatest DEs in the NFL since 1970.

This reply is disingenous, and it hardly proves that McDermott isn't ultra-conservative. The Bills had many other options for a veteran QB than simply keeping Taylor or trading Taylor and going with Peterman. McDermott and Beane chose to go with Peterman rather than with Taylor, McCarron or another veteran QB. The same with the OC options. The choice wasn't just keep Dennison or go with Daboll. There were numerous OC candidates with much better credentials -- ie, real success as NFL OCs -- than Daboll.

Facts: Marcell Dareus started for the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday. Stephon Gilmore started for the NE Patriots in the last SB. He had an INT for the Pats against the Texans on Sunday. Cordy Glenn is now Cincinnati's starting LT. Nigel Bradham was a starter for the SB Champions Philadelphia Eagles in 2017. Woods caught 56 passes for 781 yards and 5 TDs in 12 games with the LA Rams in 2017. He caught 3 passes for 37 yards in his first start for the Rams in 2018. Marquise Goodwin caught 56 passes for 962 yards and 2 TDs in 2017 for San Francisco. Sammy Watkins caught 39 passes for 593 yards and 8 TDs for the LA Rams in 2017. He caught 3 passes for 21 yards in his first start with the 2018 KC Chiefs. Preston Brown is the starting MLB for the Bengals in 2018. Ronald Darby started for SB Champions Philadelphia Eagles in the 2017 Super Bowl.

^^ ^^ Adept at drafting? White is a nice pick, and Dawkins may become a good LT but nobody else from the 2017 draft is even promising. Milano is an undersized LB who wouldn't be a starter on many other NFL rosters ... but spending 2 picks to get Zay Jones and wasting a fifth round pick on Peterman makes the 2017 draft look pretty crappy already even though it's still too early to judge 2017. Since Allen, Edmunds, Phillips, and Johnson have played in exactly 1 NFL game, nobody knows how good -- or bad -- they'll turn out to be. As for Teller, the supposed "potential starting guard," he wasn't even active for the game. When these guys have been in the league for 3 years or so, then you can fairly judge if a draft is good, bad or indifferent. Of course, part of judging a HC/GM's drafting prowess is how decisions. For instance, many Bills fans crucify Whaley for trading up in 2014 to get Sammy Watkins when he could have taken another top WR like OBJ or Jarvis Landry who were both available at the Bills original spot, but they conveniently ignore that trading up to get Jones when better prospects like JuJu Smith-Schuster would have been available may be even worse if Jones turns out to be a bust. Moreover, evaluation of McDermott/Beane's drafting prowess will not only be judged by whether or not Allen develops into a franchise QB, but it also upon how good Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, and Josh Rosen -- all QBs McDermott/Beane could have taken instead of Allen -- turn out compared to Allen. ^^ Pot, meet Kettle. Calling people who dare to disagree with your views "trolls" is hardly "a general kindness". In fact, the OP has been repeatedly attacked, insulted, and mocked by posters who disagree with him/her in this thread while only 2 or 3 "positive" posters actually attempted to refute what he had to say in his original post.

The Minnesota Vikings would beg to differ. Check out their record since 2000 ... and then see who was under center for them. Except for bringing in Favre for a season or two at the end of his career, their QBs have mostly been mediocre. Last year, they were a game short of going to the Super Bowl with backup Case Keenum as their QB.

They were impressive. If they continue to play like that, the Bills opportunities to even smell a win this season have shrunk from 6 (Indy, Titans, Jets, Miami) to 4.

My guess is that while you may not be a troll, this entire thread is certainly a troll thread. The "debacle on Sunday" wasn't a fluke, and pretending it was is disingenuous. And FYI, you aren't going to shame or intimidate me into silence about how McDermott and Beane have screwed the pooch over these past two years.

It's not "air go", it's "ergo".

"Not ready to become starters?" Seriously??? Ducasse has been in the league for 9 years and sucked all those years. Bodine has been in the league for 5 years and sucked all those years, despite being the starter in Cinci. He couldn't even beat out career backup, Ryan Groy. Marshall Newhouse has been in the league for 8 years and sucked all those years. As for "fixing the defense", I might agree if the defense had bothered to show up on Sunday.

No, they do not draft well. They gamble on high risk prospects and often trade up to get them which is a waste draft capital. PFF's algorithm for rating OLs and OLers is unreliable at best. If Teller was that good, he wouldn't have been around at the end of the fifth round where they took him which is Day Three of the draft. If he was that good, he'd have been a Day Two pick.

Beast Mode is just doing what Beast Mode does.

If you have a house that needs a new roof and a new front porch but is otherwise sound, do you tear it down or do you fix what needs fixing because your budget is limited? Apparently, McDermott and Beane would tear down the house and live in an old RV in the driveway while waiting to win the lottery after spending the repair budget on the RV and lottery tix.

I agree whole-heartedly, except that it's not insecurity overcoming judgement. McDermott and Beane are simply incompetent at running a football team. If McDermott stuck to coaching the team, he'd be okay, but both he and Beane are clueless when it comes to talent evaluation and cap management, so allowing them control over personnel and cap management is a prescription for epic fail.

The Browns went 0-16 last year, so it would seem that the Bills could only tie for "worst team in 10 years" but with the sharp minds of McDermott and Beane "being on the same page", I'm sure they'll manage to surpass even the hapless Brownies.

I absolutely can when the Bills have done the very same thing under the Pegulas as they did under Wilson. Pegula bought the team in 2013. All of the players on that list who were signed/drafted in and after 2011 were sent packing under Pegula's ownership ... and don't forget that Pegula was so impressed with Russ Brandon, the head honcho of the Bills since 2006, that he gave him control of the Sabres as well.

Bull manure! The Bills "could not keep their talent they had" because they never keep the talent they develop! That's "the process" that the Bills have followed since the beginning of the salary cap, although it became much worse since Russ Brandon took control of the team in 2006. The Bills have been the NFL's farm team for the entire 21st century. Among the notable players the Bills have sent packing rather than paying and who've gone on to become important starters on playoff teams are: Antowan Smith, RB, 1997 -- starter, 2001 NE Patriot Super Bowl champions Antoine Winfield, CB, 1999 - multiple Pro Bowls with Minnesota Vikings Nate Clements, CB, 2001 - Pro Bowler with Minnesota Vikings Willis McGahee, RB, 2003 - two time Pro Bowler with Baltimore and Denver Jabari Greer, CB, UDFA 2004 - starter with 2009 SB Champion New Orleans Saints Jason Peters, LT, UDFA 2005 - two time All Pro and nine time Pro Bowl LT with the Philadelphia Eagles Donte Whitner, SS, 2006 - two time Pro Bowler on San Francisco 49ers and Cleveland Browns; started on 49ers in 2012 Super Bowl Marshawn Lynch, RB, 2007 - two time All Pro RB with Seattle Seahawks, including the 2013 SB championship Paul Posluszny, MLB, 2007 - Pro Bowler, 7 year starter with Jacksonville Jaguars Jairus Byrd, FS, 2009 - starter with New Orleans Saints Andy Levitre, OG, 2009 - long time starter with 2016 SB runner-up Atlanta Falcons Nigel Bradham, LB, 2012 - starter with 2017 SB Champion Philadelphia Eagles Marcell Dareus, DT, 2011 - starter with 2017 AFC Conference Championship runner up Jacksonville Jaguars in 2018 Chris Hogan, WR, UDFA 2011 by Miami, UFA signed to Bills PS in 2012 - starter for 2016 SB Champion NE Patriots Stephon Gilmore, CB, 2012 - Pro Bowler with Bills - starter for 2017 SB runner-up NE Patriots Cordy Glenn, LT, 2012 - starter with the Cincinnati Bengals Robert Woods, WR, 2013 - starter with LA Rams in 2017 Marquise Goodwin, WR, 2013 - starter with SF 49ers in 2017 Sammy Watkins, WR, 2014 - starter with LA Rams in 2017 and with KC Chiefs in 2018 Preston Brown, MLB, 2014 - starter with the Cincinnati Bengals Ronald Darby, CB, 2015 - starter for 2017 SB Champion Philadelphia Eagles I trust McDermott and Beane to continue this great Bills tradition since they made such an impressive start ...

They're getting what they deserve for their incompetence. IMO, Beane was hired because he shared Russ Brandon's "money ball" philosophy. Saving some $$ seems the only rationale for trading away a veteran QB if the starter has had 2 NFL starts, and his backup is a rookie not deemed ready to face NFL defenses. He seems as incompetent at doing that as he's been in judging FA talent.

Another great move by this clueless FO. He was a Bill for what, 3 months? Of course, trading for Corey Coleman was an even stupider move: he cost the Bills $3.5 million in dead cap money for a week or ten days.

If 17 years of no playoffs with 15 non-winning seasons didn't empty the Ralph, bringing in Kaepernick wouldn't do so either. Bills fans settle for a crap product, which is why the Bills don't bother to truly put winning before profits. Do you know why the Glory Years happened? Crowds of 20k fans in then Rich Stadium in the 1980s post-Chuck Knox happened. Since attendance was a significant revenue source for NFL teams back then the mostly empty stadium hit Wilson where it hurt: his profit. That's when he turned the team over to Polian, and, as they, "the rest is history".

Building for the future? ROTFLMAO. They spent the existing talent on the team to collect draft capital to get a QB and LB ... and put a team with expansion-team level talent around them. It's going to take another 3 plus years to even get back to the talent they had when McDermott was hired if they hit on most of their draft picks and FAs, and from what McDermott/Beane have done so far, that's not going to happen.