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All joking aside, this to me says he could clearly be a trade candidate. Sounds like talks occurred contractually, and if that deleted tweet is any evidence, they didn’t go well.

Presumptuous, but the risk we have to take unless we want to pay Meyers big $$ or give up draft capital for another guy who misses games in Hopkins. I also have us drafting a WR no later than RD2, so that guy steps into a larger role, along with Shakir. Maybe we bring back Beasley or Crowder on a cheap deal as WR5 and/or draft another mid-round WR to round out the room.

Had a replay on NFLN of the Chiefs game last week on at my office for some background noise. Ended up watching. McKenzie was SO bad. Words don’t even do his play in that game justice. I’m surprised Allen even looked his way ever again after that game.

Exactly. I think he’s worth it on a team that doesn’t have a QB to pay. A luxury piece for a team with cap space. Put him next to a monster DT and see if you can unlock his potential, but we don’t have the luxury to pay a guy who is dependent upon us paying other guys to help him.

It was either Marino or Cover1, they did a breakdown of our DL before and after Von’s injury by all kinds of metrics .. and Oliver wasn’t good.. at all. Von, Rousseau and (to a lesser extent) Epenesa were the only ones who showed up. I guess your statement is qualified for Ed by saying “when healthy”… I don’t know… guy seems needs to be fully healthy and have top talent around him to be effective.

White could bounce back and play at a pro-bowl level .. he could also look more like last years version. Id wait before I do anything with his contract. We could very well have a dominant secondary if White bounces back, Elam gets his footing, Hyde returns to form and we have adequate play at the other Safety spot. Taron is always very good in the nickel spot. White & Hyde could also be irreversibly diminished. Doing anything with White’s contract, to me, is way too risky. Just trade Oliver and extend Daquan Jones. That’s a much safer, and far more effective way to free up similar cap space.

Me, personally: Sign OBJ (2 year deal) Trade Davis Draft a WR early Diggs OBJ Day 2 Pick Shakir Then fill in the the last two spots Sets us up with high level talent short term, along with a plan for the future in an early draft pick and Shakir

Giants 2 is, I think, pick 61. I ask for that or no deal. He’s a big play WR who could be a huge bounce back candidate this year provided he’s not the 2nd best WR on our team. Oliver, I’m taking a 3 no problem. Davis, I want a 2.. especially given the Giants 2 is late. If Claypool brings back a 2, Gabe also should.

Spreading Von’s dead money to later years, should he not play past year 3, is what it is … We have a ton of contracts we’ll be able to get out of in the next few years as well. Diggs, White, Hyde, Milano, Morse, Dawkins, Oliver etc., all those guys will be coming off the books and/or could come off the books by the time the dead cap hits hit for Von. A few mil spread into those years isn’t a big deal at all … IF Beane starts drafting better.

Id be shocked if we traded Gabe and didn’t get a 2nd back. Positional value comes into play, and the going rate for a low-tier WR2 seems to be a 2nd. See Chase Claypool.

If the Giants/Schoen/Daboll truly do want Davis.. Id consider it, but I’d probably want their RD1. Am I correct in seeing that their pick is #25? 25, yea. 57… probably but I’d have to think about it.

Giants/Jones play in the NFC. Carr to an AFC team, whatever. Carr to an NFC team, interesting… Entirely different ball game.

Our DL was bottom tier once Von went down with the ACL. There seems to me, to be zero reason to worry about creating holes on units that didn’t perform. Creating holes to bring in a RB, yea.. that’s not ideal. However, creating a hole at DT, to shore up a hole on the OL or at WR, is just reallocation of assets. We’re going to have holes. I’d rather they be on Defense, where we can hope Von, Rousseau, Milano and (potentially) a much improved secondary can mask enough and make plays when needed. Not sure what it would take, but trading Oliver and paying more/trading an asset to get an elite player at DT is fine by me. Simmons trade, Hargrave signing. Invest heavy on Offense. Invest in difference makers on Defense, and then depend on McDermott to be able to scheme for the weaknesses.

Bart Scott said Gabe Davis is like Tee Higgins on ESPN this morning. Hey, if it brings back a high pick… Gabe Davis is Jerry Rice. Make it happen.

Im fine with Bijan at 27, but that better mean we made a move for WR2 in Free Agency, and at the very least, brought in a legit RG.

What’s the plan right now? Jones, Oliver, Settle and…. Why can’t that be Jones, Day 2 Pick, Settle and….? And fwiw, I wouldn’t even be opposed to trading Oliver for a Day 2 pick and then paying a few million more for someone like Hargrave. Go heavy on OL day 2 by multiple picks or a trade up for the guy we target.

Im more than fine extending Daquan Jones and then replacing Ed with a Day 2 bigger body DT. Use his cap hit on offense. Extend Jones and replace Oliver, so we aren’t going into ‘24 with zero DT’s under contract.

You trade him for a 3rd, because we only have six draft picks and need cheap talent .. but more importantly, it rids us of his 10M+ cap hit, allowing us to be in play for another vet OL or WR

Pretty much agree. The only guys who truly affect Championship aspirations, on an individual level, are QB, WR and Pass Rusher. A collectively bad secondary… A collectively bad offensive line... Those things can affect aspirations, but not on an individual level. You can hide a weak link, you can scheme to strengths.

The constant squashed hope of checking this thread every time there’s activity, hoping there’s a linked tweet to something happening on this front. I still can’t get over his social media post about “show me the money”. If Diggs wants to throw temper tantrums, whatever… Ed Oliver!? Ha!!..get out of here man..

Tyreek Hill wasn’t exactly a choir boy in chirping his way out of KC for a new contract. They simply let their top Safety and CB1 walk in Free Agency. Watch Micah Hyde on GMFB yesterday. Dude bleeds for Buffalo. Diggs needs to stop talking, but it is what it is. Von got hurt. It happens. He’ll be back and if anyone can come back ferociously at his age, it’s freaks like Von. Who cares if we don’t have any of the following next year … Edmunds, Poyer, Oliver, Basham, Epenesa … None of them, singularly, or in totality, drastically affect our Super Bowl chances. In fact, I’d argue having them all back makes us less likely to accomplish that.

I mean … contrast his actions, ongoing, with Micah Hyde this morning on GMFB. Micah literally jumped in to glow about McDermott in one segment. You could tell by his reaction it was genuine. I don’t think Diggs is of that mindset.. in fact, I think he’s of the opposite. And that’s fine, and it’s ok to be upset …. But this is starting to become some bs… Grow tf up. I say this as someone who probably feels exactly how Diggs does about the coaching failures of McDermott and, up until now, Frazier, in the big moments. Throw in Dorsey, who he knows is only the OC because of Allen. Yea, I get it Stef.. you’ve made your point. Go to Cabo for a few weeks or something, my goodness.

Ok, sure.. but are you just going to dismiss how he affects the throwing lanes and vision of bad/mid QB’s in November?..

I disagree, but fine, let’s accept your premise.. September isn’t January, and in January he hasn’t been a difference maker. You don’t pay dudes that don’t make a difference when the lights get bright.

What exactly does he believe warrants “showing him the money”?