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It just doesn't really happen with star players. Next off-season, the only likely options are extend or trade. I see zero scenarios where he plays a lame duck year with the Bills.

We didn't lose to KC because of our CB's.. We lost because Addison/Hughes were the kings of "pressure", no sacks.

We aren't "advocating" for it. We're saying we shouldn't pay him Tyreek Hill money. If that's what he wants, then it's time to move on. Most of us with this opinion are the same ones pounding the table for WR at 25. And if we end up having to trade him next year, we draft another WR high next year. If elite WR's are making mid-level QB money, and we have 40M+ tied up in Allen, we need to be drafting a WR high, minimum, every 2 years. Look what he's done with a RD3 TE and RD4 WR. Give the man a high pick WR for the love of God...

This. We had a lot of solid players last year. Bills FO clearly looked at a lot of these guys and simply said "not good enough" To all those people hand-wringing over Levi Wallace to the Steelers on an affordable contract.. We very likely did not want him back, and thank goodness, because I'd rather see a raw 3rd rounder with some speed out there (if it comes to that), than stuck-in-molasses Levi trying to defend Hill/Waddle twice per year. I feel we'll look back the same way on Bates. He's very upgradeable.

They also played their best ball when the OL was healthy, which coincided with Bates entering the lineup. Dawkins was a liability much of the season.. He got his wind back towards the end of the season and was rag-dolling people... That had nothing to do with Bates. Brown was a rookie, but a rookie with some game experience under his belt.. nothing to do with Bates. Williams was back at OG, not bouncing around between OG and OT. Maybe they do value Bates. Maybe he is that good. But it seems to me that they tendered him as if they view him as a potential starter, likely swiss army knife depth. Nice to have if he comes back cheap, but not much of an offseason priority.

Why though? If they don't match Bates, I trust Beane/Kromer in their view of the OL. Kromer running this group gives me a ton of confidence that they know what they're doing. I highly doubt losing Bates means Ford starts and our depth is Mancz, Capra and Doyle. Maybe they have some OL that Kromer loves in the Draft.

So if he goes to the Bears, that 2.5M goes back to our available cap, correct? So we'd be around +8M?

Packers were ready to pay that to Adams though.. Adams just wanted to leave at that point. Chiefs, while losing 1/3 of what made them all-time special, likely did make the smart move. They had a price point for Hill. Didn't exceed it. Traded him for picks. Hill is 29 and his game is predicated upon legendary speed/athleticism.

He was raw Year 1, but still had the splash plays that made you believe in him. Year 2, he was average, with more splash plays. Should have won his 1st Playoff Game if our defense doesn't unravel, John Brown gets two feet in or a phantom penalty isn't called at the end of the game. Year 3.. MVP candidate. Year 4... god-mode Playoffs

If I'm Beane, I call Diggs and say.. "Hey, obviously we both see the WR contracts flying around this off-season. We value you. You know our situation, you know where we're at. Are you cool to play out this season and then we sit down and address your contract next off-season?" If he says yes. We play out the season. Sit down and see where everyone is at moving forward. If there's hesitation, or it's a no (which we've seen zero indication of), then I think you need to start taking calls about his availability for another team. FWIW, I don't think we should expect a Adams/Hill trade package. It would be a solid haul.. but I don't sense Diggs is viewed the same way those dudes are, nor do I believe he will get paid like they are (by us, or anyone else). He's elite... but he's not Adams or Hill.

Are you new to Twitter? Also, Twitter isn't real life. I'm constantly reminded of this when I talk about something "extremely online" to a bunch of normal, everyday people and they have no clue what I'm talking about.

I don’t think Crowder and McKenzie would be ahead of certain WR’s. And in Jameson Williams case, we get a top 10 talent who were perfectly positioned to absorb the half season he may miss due to our existing WR depth. I simply don’t see Booth or Elam types moving the needle in the way a high profile WR would. McDermott is great with developing the secondary guys, and modern day pass defenses are more predicated upon pressure rate/sacks than they are elite secondary players (See Dolphins/Bills lately)

Beane has done a tremendous job keeping the long term window open. We have one massive “go for it” investment. Von Miller. That’s it. We even have an out in the contract after Year 3. No future draft picks given up. Nothing. If Diggs plays out his career here, or at least his prime, we will replace him with a pick or FA. As long as Allen is here, and Beane keeps the philosophy he has, our window is open. I get why the Chiefs did what they did, but losing Hill for a 1 & 2 plus some mid-late picks only works if they hit on their draft capital. Im just interested to see what Mahomes looks like without the most dynamic WR/TE duo of my lifetime.

He helped, but our line also finally got healthy. Dawkins was a beast again after fighting covid effects all year.

Crowder is here on a one year deal for 2M plus incentives. He seems like insurance that can still ball out if we don’t find a better option. If they draft Olave or Dotson.. our 3-wide is Diggs-Davis-Olave or Diggs-Davis-Dotson. If they draft Jameson Williams, Crowder holds it down until Williams can play.

You offer him what we can pay him after/during next season, and then if it doesn’t work, we trade him. If these WR’s would rather chase money and play with mid/rookie QB’s, not much we can do about it. This is why it’s imperative to keep the WR room stocked for Allen. Diggs helped Allen, no doubt… as did Allen, Diggs… but Allen is that dude now. He elevates the offense.

They could, but DK would likely cost more draft capital than Hill and (my opinion) negotiations start at Hill’s contract.

Do the Chiefs not think Tyreek set the floor for DK’s new contract?…

Building for the future means noticing top end WR’s are going for mid-tier QB money. You better keep the refrigerator full. We can find corners in Rounds 2 & 3. How big of a difference do you believe CB25 is over CB57 in the grand scheme of our future? It’s all about pass rush. You need solid corner play, but we’ve been smoked by top offenses with healthy Tre. We can find solid corner play deeper into the draft than RD1.

Omg… with the dramatics…. We just signed Von Miller. We have a ton of high draft picks on the DL. We paid Milano. We have Edmunds. We have a top end Safety duo. Who tf is neglecting defense?… NOT US. Tre White will be back at some point. Who’s locking down Tyreek Hill? Not Trent McDuffie or Andrew Booth. Draft a couple guys in Rounds 2-5 and depend on your pass rush to get the job done.

NGL… thought crossed my mind too. It’s a new world in the NFL. Let’s hope the lines of communication are open and Diggs is willing to take less to stay here, because we cannot give him what Adams, let alone, Hill got.

Two corners in the draft somewhere in Rounds 2-5. If we have the ability to, sign a free agent vet corner like Haden or Peterson. WR in RD1. It’s time to use a premium pick on a weapon for Allen. This is an arms race and I guarantee you that KC - who spent on their OL, drafted a RD1 RB, RD2 WR (Hardman), signed Juju and still have Kelce will 100% take a WR in RD1.

Good. While the knee jerk reaction to the Hill trade and our CB depth is to take a Cornerback at 25, I think all this WR movement tells us that the pick needs to be a Wide Receiver. Taking McDuffie, Booth etc at 25 isn’t stopping Tyreek Hill. We can’t even single cover him with a healthy Tre White. He’s just not that type of WR… you have to bracket. 25-30M going rate for elite WR’s now… Draft one and hope Diggs loves Buffalo enough to take a “discount” when the time comes.

Really hope this isn’t the new trend… star WR’s “gettin that bag” by leaving contenders to go play for lesser teams and lesser QB’s. If so, so be it… but at least Adams is going to a good team, with a QB he’s best friend with. Tyreek Hill is a pure money grab… nothing more, nothing less.

Awww, he thought he was getting Waddle plus 1sts or the 4th/10th pick..