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All this talk about the OL... they weren't good. They also weren't a disaster. They were passable enough to win that game, easily, against a Rodgers-less Jets team with an elite Defense. Jets might have the best DL in the NFL, certainly Top 3, and it's paired with good linebackers and an elite secondary. The Chiefs actually invest in their OL and were struggling due to one guy... now multiply that and include sticky coverage on the back end. Our OL did enough.

Honestly, no. If Allen grows up, I do think we're talented enough to win a Super Bowl despite McDermott/Dorsey, but having a Defensive HC was always going to be an issue in terms of long term stability in a passing league where every other top QB has a year in/year out stable Offensive mind leading the team.

Cook is more than fine in this Offense and if Allen wasn't a disaster, we'd be talking about Cook's first game as lead back including a 25-30 yard TD reception aka the main reason we drafted him.

Coaching aside, we need a RT and a WR2. The discussion on Offense begins and ends there.

Was driving this AM and the morning show had some honestly great points... 1) Stop referring to Dorsey as a rookie OC. Rookie OC's don't have any tape on them... until they do. About halfway through the season teams started to figure out Dorsey's tendencies and we've been stuck in the mud ever since, putting up points by sheer talent. 2) Is Allen not being told to take what the defense gives him/protect himself, or is he not listening to the coaches? If Allen won't allow himself to be coached by the OC, the OC has to go. Not fair to Dorsey, but it is what it is. Can't have an OC who Allen refuses to listen to.

More annoyed at his terrible punt than him whiffing on a tackle there.

I thought Tre was ok last night.. hard to really gauge a ton in the secondary when Rodgers does down and the Jets decide to go power football and hope Josh keeps giving them the ball back. What I will say is that this year is the year for this current window. And by current window, I mean that I would be completely fine letting Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Morse and Davis move on after the season. We're cap strapped anyway, 4 of them aren't getting any younger and Davis is a WR3 with big play ability that we don't have the luxury of paying.

This game was such a gut punch. My biggest worry was this game looking like the Bengals loss to end the season.. Which was confirmed by midnight. I'm hoping I'll care by Sunday, but I really have an apathetic feeling towards this team that I haven't had since the drought era. Just starting to feel like a better version of that where we've plateaued, just instead of being a 6-9 win team, we're a Divisional Round caliber squad. Raiders.. Commanders... cool. Whatever. They better win those games, and I guess we can get excited again if they get to Week 4 at 2-1.

"Every drive needs to end in a kick" (Turns the ball over 4 times) "I need to protect myself better" (Seeks out contact for no reason) The guy doesn't learn and nobody on this coaching staff seems capable of holding him accountable and making him do so. The difference between Allen and Mahomes/Burrow is maturity. They've matured and understand that they can't be selfish and just do whatever they want out there. Allen has not.

-Floyd & Rousseau look like a PROBLEM off the edge. -Milano still looks like an All-Pro, even without Edmunds next to him -Diggs is still a Top 5 WR -Kincaid looked good and should be involved more Hard to really gauge much more given how great the Jets Defense is, combined with the fact they historically hold down Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers going down early thus not really able to see how our secondary performs against an upper tier passing attack.

Poyer looked like he was an AARP member out there. It was wild seeing how slow he looked.

All I know is Allen got better each year with him here. Now we’re stuck with a defensive HC and whatever tf Dorsey is supposed to be. McDermott isn’t our HC right now if not for Josh Allen … and the last two games of Josh Allen are making me slightly worried that the coaching staff and lack of protection have finally taken a toll on him. I would LOVE to be wrong, because I do not want to waste a prime year of Allen on an implosion season… even if that’s what’s it takes to change course.

Just getting real sick and tired of feeling like there’s now a logjam of teams that are physically, and mentally, tougher than us. Jets likely knew Rodgers was done for the year at halftime. They came out and played with pure heart, knowing that the Super Bowl aspirations that franchise had are gone .. and they may only ever see those handful of snaps of Rodgers in a Jets jersey at 40 years old now with that injury/rehab. Don’t be shocked if he hangs em up. We, on the other hand, got physically punched in the mouth.. just like the Bengals game, and just like the Bengals game, our QB and coaching staff had no counter punch. This team is mentally and physically soft… and until that changes, we will struggle against teams that want to bare knuckle brawl all game. Sadly, I think we’re stuck at this plateau level with McDermott. I hope not, but it really feels like we’ve been churning to get over the hump the past two years and now we have to safeguard against the collapse. I’d love to be wrong, but man… I wish Daboll was here.

Crazy how bad the luck for the Jets is. Have to wonder if this is career ending with Rodgers close to 40. Jets are an elite roster, but they are going to struggle to make the playoffs with Wilson at QB. I do think they may hang around in the playoff picture, but Wilson isn’t Purdy and their OL isn’t San Fran’s.

Given he’s entering year 6 … I’d say it could be his worst. -“Every possession needs to end in a kick”. Proceeds to give the Jets the ball 4 times. -“I need to get better with taking care of myself”. Literally seeks out contact 5 yards past or short of the sticks for no reason. They’re just words at this point. He doesn’t learn. And he has no one coaching him correctly because Daboll left, we have a defensive minded HC and while the OL wasn’t awful, they weren’t great, and Allen is regressing due to his lack of trust in them over the the past year.

For sure … but an opener against an NFC team is not equivalent to an opener against a Division opponent that has every reason to be believed as a playoff contender.

Completely agree. And also, for me, it’s stylistic. No Von Miller. Opening with a trash talking, obnoxiously confident team. A team built around swagger, ability to get after the passer and a cerebral QB behind a suspect OL that gets the ball out quick. It all sounds so familiar… And I don’t know if I can handle a McDermott led team going out and pulling a Bengals game again. I need to see that the game last year was a one off due to all the circumstances we faced and not a fatal flaw.

Same. Im in “wait and see” mode. Flew out to LA for the Rams game last year. Was insanely hyped. That loss, and the way we lost, to the Bengals last year is going to take a minute to get out of my system. Now we play a Jets team that’s historically given Allen and our Offense issues, and we all saw what our DL looked like without Von. Need to see this team toughen up in the trenches in a game like this, and right now I’m hopeful, but will quickly start getting annoyed if we can’t get pressure and Allen is under siege.

Makes sense. Still have two depth Safeties and for all the hand wringing over Elam, I’d rather have all options available at CB depending on how we need to attack their offense … and all 3 corners opposite Tre are very different styles of DB.

I’m sure Joe Burrow will bounce back, but I’m really not here for the “he might not have been 100%” talk after we’ve had to deal with an off-season of hot takes due to a season from hell in which Allen playing half of it with a UCL injury in his throwing elbow is barely ever mentioned.

Definitely seeing a lot of “yea, but…” in regards to the Dolphins yesterday. One can clown the Chargers for seeming to be the same team year after year, but the Dolphins looked legit. Tua was really good, and he was good doing what we know he’s good at.. Keep him upright and let him throw in rhythm… we all know he’s good at that. Why is it surprising? He had guys running wide open all game, but guess what … he hit them… he doesn’t miss if given those opportunities. And for that reason, the Dolphins are tough, because if you can’t hit him and disrupt his timing, their scheme, speed and talent at WR is going to result in open receivers quite a bit. Chargers couldn’t get pressure and their back seven did not look good, at all… but we can’t act like the Dolphins had nothing to do with that. Tua may be more system QB than the guys Dolphins fans want to think he’s comparable to, but he’s deadly in the right system if you can’t disrupt timing and when they needed him to be clutch, he threw two ELITE passes late in the 4th to extend a drive and then take the lead.

Week 1 isn’t always indicative of what we’ll see this season, but I went into the season thinking the AFCN was the best division in the NFL. AFCE showed out, and the Pats, whewww thought they might actually pull that out against the Eagles. Browns looked tough, but Watson was still meh. No idea what the Bengals were on. Ravens won a game they should but suffered two huge injuries. Steelers showed why preseason doesn’t really matter when making predictions. AFCW looks like a joke, again. Raiders/Broncos, whatever. Chargers, one game in, look to be the pretenders they always are. Jaguars didn’t look great against a bad Colts team, but the Tannehill Titans don’t exactly look up to the challenge and the Colts/Texans should be 4 auto-wins. Cowboys & Niners looked bonkers good.

That’s, in part, due to the fact that the Chargers are philosophically opposed to acquiring receivers that can get separation.

Fwiw.. I don’t think this is a fair assessment to make until we see McDermott’s Defense go up against them. If it’s more of the same, so be it. Burrow is less mobile, less arm talent, more accuracy, timing and cerebral processing - paired with elite receiving weapons. That’s why he struggles against a physical pressure defense like the Browns, but carves up a predictable Tampa 2.