BigDingus

OJ ran for 2,000+ yards in a 14 game season, averaging 6.0 yards per carry. Hell, he ran for 250 against the Steel Curtain with no threat of a passing game whatsoever. Barry Sanders deserves similar praise for being the entire focus of opposing teams, yet still putting up insane numbers. He deserves a top 3 spot easily, as he was still killing it when he retired, with no end in sight. He also ran for 2,000+ yards in a season...just one season before he retired! His final season he rushed for 1,491 yards. If Sanders just played 1 more season, he easily could've surpassed the all time rushing record (just getting his career yearly average too), and it would've been 2 seasons earlier than what it took Payton. OJ was easily the best RB of his era, just like I believe Sanders was the best of his. And both played on teams where there wasn't much of a supporting cast. They were the offense, and they were what other teams game planned around.

Jim Brown Barry Sanders OJ Simpson Not sure the order, but I'd say those are top 3, with Walter Payton a close 4th and Emmitt Smith at a definite #5.

Wait what?! This team has "had an issue" with the Jets, the Bengals, the Titans, the Dolphins, the Eagles, and the Browns, yet they won't have an issue with any of the other teams outside of NE & Baltimore? Where does that confidence come from? Clearly not what has transpired on the field, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that. The Cowboys blew out the Eagles (who blew us out), and have the NFL's top ranked offense. They also have one of the best running backs in the game, and we've had trouble stopping the run (yes, we stuck it to the Dolphins last week, yay). We lost to the Browns on the road just 2 weeks ago...they only have the 16th ranked defense. The Broncos on the other hand have the 4th ranked defense, and we're not going to have an issue playing them at Mile High? We already "had an issue" against the Jets, so just assuming that won't happen going forward is pretty unfounded as well. * * * That leaves the Steelers, a team that is 4-2 at home and has won 4 out of their last 5 games. Looking at their schedule, they're just as likely to have won 7 of their last 8 by the time we play them (their next 3 games are against the Bengals, Browns & Cardinals). Since Big Ben went down in week 1, they've only had one game they lost by 7 or more points. They lost to the Seahawks by 2, lost to the 49ers by 4, lost to the Ravens by 3 and the Browns by 14. Think about that, they only lost by an average of 3 points to 3 of the BEST teams in football. But the Bills will be the team to just handle them? And on the road? Based on what again? Handing it to the Dolphins last week? C'mon man... Seriously, I do not understand where we get off being so cocky.

9-7 will have to be good enough. That Browns loss is really going to come back & bite us in the a**. There's no way we beat the Pats on the road, and we're probably going to get killed by the Ravens. Greg Roman has designed the perfect offense for Lamar Jackson, and he looks insane right now. The Steelers game is going to be very tough. Sure, they're only 5-5, but they're 4-2 at home, and 4-1 over the last 5 weeks. The Cowboys have the #1 offense in the league and the #7 defense. Can we go there & beat them? Sure, but only if we can put up points like we did this week against the Dolphins. The defense will get moved on no matter what, so this is one of those games where the offense is going to NEED to carry the burden. We absolutely have to beat the Broncos & Jets, but neither of those games will be easy either. Broncos have the #4 ranked defense, only suffering 1 blowout this year against the Chiefs. The Jets are 3-3 since Darnold's return, and you never really know what you'll get from them. All we know is that we struggled bad against them week 1, so hopefully it'll go better in week 17. I would be shocked but thrilled if we went 3-3. I think 2-4 is more likely, and can even see 1-4

The fact you had to wait until 11 weeks into the season to be able to post this speaks volumes. Yes, "detractors" (aka people who are just discussing what they've seen each week) can admit he had a very good game. So did Sam Darnold. Here's his stat line: 19/30 for 293 yards, 4 TD's & 1 INT, 121.3 rating. Does one good game mean they've arrived? Allen beating the lowly Dolphins & Darnold beating the lowly Redskins is certainly impressive, but are you able to admit that for 9 other games this season Allen hasn't played a single complete game, that he wasn't able to complete a deep pass to save his life, took a ton of bad sacks, has a fumble problem, disappears for a couple quarters per game, and generally had accuracy problems, missing open targets often? I don't even disagree that Allen is showing growth, only stating how ridiculous the idea behind this thread is. "HOLY CRAP! Allen beat the DOLPHINS! Ha, told ya! FRANCHISE GUY SUCKAS!" ?

I don't know, I feel like announcers spend at least a quarter of each game talking about how great a player & teammate Frank Gore is. Seriously, just wait until he has his first run. Nobody on the Bills gets even close to the amount of attention, no matter what they're doing on the field lol

How do you not get tired of weekly predictions that THIS is the week the Bills are going to blow someone out? Nothing ScottLaw said was even remotely "crap," nor was it unreasonable. Saying "I just don't trust the Bills offense to put up points and our defense to shut any offense down," is NOT far-fetched at all. The offense hasn't had ONE SINGLE GAME where they played well for the full 60 minutes. Not one. There have been large stretches that have spanned at least an entire quarter or 2 where they struggle to even get a 1st down, let alone put up a FG. Often times the defense will even give them extra opportunities, or special teams will set us up in great field position, only for the offense to go backwards (whether via penalties, sacks, fumbles, etc.), turn it over or go 3 & out. And everyone knows we're having these struggles against the league's worst teams! It's not like these are hard fought battles against dominant opponents on the road...instead they're against teams like the Bengals, Browns, Titans, Jets, Dolphins, etc. and they're happening at home too! So why anyone would get upset when someone doesn't just automatically assume we're going to dominate an opponent every week is beyond me. What we have shown is that we're going to struggle offensively each week, and that our defense will do its bend-don't-break routine. We'll play neck & neck with bad opponents, and hope that we can do just enough by the end to escape with a victory. Anyone who predicts that should not be criticized at all. Just saying "I expect us to put up a bajillion points & Allen will have his first 300 yard game!" each week doesn't make it more likely to happen. You can't wish it hard enough into existence, so being critical of those who aren't saying absurdly optimistic/unrealistic things is just rude.

Sounds more like his take is something you don't like hearing... And a lot of Bills fans this season have had AWFUL takes, blaming everyone & their mother for why we're struggling against awful teams, why we lose, and what needs to be done...but not Allen! So yeah, Allen needs to improve dramatically, he's hasn't had one full game where he's played well the entire season, and he has a lot of glaring issues, not the least of which being his propensity for fumbles, being the worst deep ball passer in the league for the 2nd straight season, taking bad sacks, struggles reading defenses, trouble figuring out how to beat a pass rush, trouble with timing routes, etc. He hasn't been awful, but to pretend he's proven to be a franchise guy, or worthy of a high 1st round draft selection is far from the truth. We have been blessed with a very easy schedule this year, but the record won't always be this favorable. If Allen plays like he has this year next season, you can be certain the Bills will be looking for a new QB going into the 2021 draft. He's shown that if the defense can either play lights out or keep us in the game, he can do just enough to possibly help us escape with a win against weak opponents. But if the offense is ever in a game where they need to keep pace with an opponent who is showing they're going to keep scoring on us, you know Allen can't put the team on his back & will us to victory.

Knew it. There was no way he was coming back this season

It will be the rest of the season, for certain. It'll likely extend into next season. Honestly I think it'll go at least 10 games into next season though it might go the entire year barring appeal. But the outrage from all over is so strong, the remainder of this year is a certainty. All of next season seems realistic too, but we'll see. I just don't see any way he's on the field you start the 2020 season. Seifert believes it deserves a record setting punishment - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing I think it will. None of the other acts people are bringing up will serve as good comparison except Haynesworth, but even this looked more criminal. Seifert believes it deserves a record setting punishment - https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing I think it will. None of the other acts people are bringing up will serve as good comparison except Haynesworth, but even this looked more criminal.

Peerless Price definitely wasn't "one-hit," but he certainly had only one truly standout season back in 2002, where he had 94 receptions, 1,252 receiving yards, 9 TD's & a 63.5% catch%. He played opposite of Eric Moulds who had nearly identical stats that same year with 100 receptions, 1,292 yards, 10 TD's & a 55.6% catch%. Unfortunately for him, he never was the same again after that season, while Moulds had a productive career before & after 2002, especially considering the crappy QB's he was anchored with. But yeah, not a "one hit wonder," but definitely a dude that flashed greatness, then disappeared.

I mean, if he can continue playing even close to how he is now, absolutely. Even if he only has a couple years left, the chance at a single Super Bowl is more than worth it. Doesn't matter if we can't build around him or create a dynasty, if we won a Super Bowl none of it matters. It'd be like the Toronto Raptors & K. Leonard. Even if he was gone after a year, he still helped get them a Championship which is more than they ever had in their entire franchise history, so money well spent.

Aside from a handful of plays, Tre looked great against OBJ. And considering how great a player OBJ is, keeping him from having a huge day is big enough. Don't have to hold him to 0 catches to have been successful in the matchup.

I'm still guess 9-7 but wouldn't be surprised to see 8-8. Honestly not trying to be a downer, but it's hard to see this team hitting 10 wins the way we play. The AFC Wildcard spots are looking more competitive too, so playoffs aren't close to guaranteed either.

"Our D played great but when it counted most , failed pretty badly." "The problem is Frazier and the d-line." "...he’s one of the worst in the league." "I keep hearing these names and it's always bad news for the Bills!" "We need more." "Daboll needs to go." "He just look washed up. Is he this years’ Tolbert?" "They always seem to find themselves in close games even against lesser opponents." * * * * * * * These are just a handful of posts, though many more echo these sentiments. At least we know the problems are everything but Allen. I mean, even though Allen has shown all year he plays his absolute best when he stays in the pocket and has all day to throw....Conversely, he has shown he is not reliable when escaping the pocket and slinging it. People think because on an extremely rare occasion he escapes a sack & makes a great play almost no other QB could make that THIS is who Josh Allen is, while conveniently ignoring the many, many, MANY more plays he tried the same things with horrid results...Whether it be fumbles (currently at 11!), taking a bad sack (often knocking us out of FG range), throwing a pick, intentional grounding, sailing it way over someone's head, getting the ball batted down, taking a big hit instead of throwing it out of bounds, forcing it into double or triple coverage & being lucky it wasn't picked off, etc. But yes, just "let Josh be Josh"... People get mocked if they bring up his inability to throw for 300+ yards..."Stats don't win games!" they say. Too bad stats are a byproduct of successful QB play, and even average QB's who are asked to throw 41 times in a game luck into 300 yard games out of sheer volume passing....but not Allen! So unless people are advocating Allen just go back to playing a glorified RB, letting him run around & loft up passes is the WORST thing you can ask of him. * * * Allen in the 3rd quarter - 6/11 for 56 yards, 0 TD's, 1 sack, 1 rush for 2 yards. Total of 3 drives leading to 3 punts. Defense held the Browns to 3 points & scored 2 of their own with a Safety. Know what we did after that Safety? First play, false start. Ok, so now we're at 1st & 15. Singletary run, but wait, holding call... minus 10 yards, so now 1st & 25. We run with Singletary again, 6 yards, then pass to Knox getting a lot of those yards back. Now it's 3rd & 3, Allen makes the decision to throw deep to Beasley who's got multiple Browns defenders all over him and sails it... But I'm sure it's Daboll's fault for not forcefeeding Singletary staring down 1st & 25, and Daboll's fault for throwing an awful deep pass to a covered WR. * * * And on all those failed 4th down plays? Allen throwing bad passes again cost us. But sure, it was Daboll's fault. Allen lacks timing and touch. Pretend Mayfield isn't a special talent all you want, but he showed everyone how great he is with timing passes, and also had many perfectly placed passes dropped right where only the receiver could catch it, often times even when that WR was well covered. * * * Anyway, the mental gymnastics will continue all season as the defense force comes out & blames everything & everyone but Allen. If any player makes a mistake, or a single play call isn't perfect, THOSE are the reasons we struggle. If Allen makes many mistakes, can't hit a deep pass to save his life, makes bad reads, can't hit wide open passes and disappears for long stretches of the game, it's just a natural part of his development... All we need are 3 first team All-Pro WR's, a star TE, the best O-line in football and to feed Singletary the ball every play regardless of context, and call the perfect game.......only THEN can we fairly evaluate Allen.

What about the easiest open deep look he ever could've gotten that would've put another TD on the board? Wide. Open. Allen, as per the usual, overthrew him 7-10 yards. If you can't even hit that deep pass, you can't be expected to hit any. EVER.

I don't know what to say anymore ... If what you have seen from Allen makes you happy, you will be thrilled with having most any QB in the league.

Anyone who watches the games and lives in reality knew the Bills weren't going to roll over the Browns. Vegas knew it, the media knew it (but hey, "wAahhhhahah the media doesnt give us the respect we deserve!!!!!" ? that thread was ridiculous) but the big shots on the board thinks W/L record translates into actual good play on the field. It doesn't. And we shouldn't be large favorites against Miami either. Wouldn't be surprised if Fitz and Co. play their best game of the year against us.

Pile on the kicker who missed 2 FGs, but forget that Allen's MISSED A WIDE THE F OPEN EASY TD that would've given us the same amount of points and a win... Only he was drafted in the 1st round and paid more money to make those passes, yet he whiffed on several including a guaranteed TD. But yeah.. he's only our franchise QB... it shouldn't be expected that he complete a single deep pass, let alone a wide open freebie TD. The kicker on the other hand, now that guy is the cornerstone of the franchise! How dare he have a bad game! Wait... didn't we win 2 games because opposing kickers failed to make FGs? Funny how those missed FGs didn't matter, and Josh was the reason we won, but now that the shoe is on the foot, it IS the kicker that matters, not the QB.?

But definitely not Allen. Nope. He was a great RB today, so he did his job.

Called it. This fanbase is so predictable. I'm also predicting there will be 5 times more blame Daboll threads than Josh Allen ones. Because obviously he should put more trust in the 3rd round RB than the franchise QB. All Singletary all the time! .... but Josh is still great, just give the ball less please!

Dont worry, we can all blame the kicker now to avoid criticizing the QB. Silver lining.

Didn't realize pick position determined how good you play. Figured Lamar Jackson, Mahomes and Deshaun Watson would be inferior to Allen then right?

Lose. There's not a single playoff caliber team this a Bills team can defeat. None.

It's possible we win this, but our offense has to want to show up.