Patrick Duffy

I feel ya...and I'm not wanting to get all up into this and all that.... but this math that you talk about that clearly you're going to live and die by doesn't mean much to me. Reason being is that there can be flaws, like there could be a mistake or maybe with these new discoveries that will continue to be found, someday one of them could turn out to be a kind that could change some things or everything they thought was known. Something that could change or make adjustments to a lot of "math".

What made you feel that way? I thought he had a decent rookie year. He had times he could have been better, but that's expected from rookies much of the time. He made some plays and batted couple passes along with showing he could stay disciplined against the run. I mean clearly he has work to do as expected, but I didn't see anything that would "lessen my enthusiasm" or anything. I came away feeling he showed some upside and believe to have some promise. Nothing that makes me believe he won't get better and better....Idk, that's just me

It's just another one of those great, newly discoveries they continue to make. What makes it even more interesting is they continue to discover more and more new things and getting answers that was/is unknown. New discoveries will continue as we go on and one can only wonder what interesting evidence will be discovered in the future. Makes it pretty clear to me that nobody has the slightest clue what's is or isn't out there when there is new discoveries still being made and so much unknown that's waiting to be discovered. Anyway, my 2 cents

No intentions to knock anyone that does this, but I don't get why anyone does a mock that far ahead? I mean there's a few players here and there that some have high expectations and all. But with all of the unknown between now and then I don't get it.

With addition of Miller alone, one would have to say better...also I feel like we will see better play from the DTs. Hard for me to see why anyone would think the D will be worse

It was said while back when that was discussed that the QB2 takes more time/reps with 2nd team or whatnot. Something along those lines.... but anyway

Yeah, not sure what happens with Jerry, but my heart wants him to possibly win a SB here. However, they might be ready to let the younger guys take over.

Yeah without question he's an upgrade over Kumerow. I have a hard time seeing it happening though.

Not necessarily, depends on the situation and if there's better personnel than it was previous season surrounding can play a factor. Anyway, I do think he's going to take a jump, but no idea how big though

Between those 2 names I'm not sure which one to feel good about, maybe neither..... Julio hardly ever plays and you know how OBJ is, also OBJ coming off that injury would be a concern.

Lol I'm with you, but for the hell of it Thunder Foot 2.0

I don't know about "elite"...but I do definitely believe he will improve, maybe quite a bit. With addition of Miller and improvement from the DT's in the middle (hopefully)....he will certainly have the chance to be a bigger force. That in consideration I'd be surprised if he didn't take a bit of a leap and make lots of plays.

Some post here and there concerned about him as holder on FG attempts, which I get it since he hasn't had to do it yet. That being said, I don't share that same amount of concern. I think it's something he will learn fairly quickly and will do just fine because I think we can all pretty much agree that Haack likely won't be around much longer. Also it's not extremely difficult to get the hang of it.

Wasn't risky at all to me. The LT's I had #1 and #2 both came off board so after that looking at the LT's that were left and going back and forth which one, I went with 6ft7 325. He's a beast of a player and can be coached up to a fine LT

Yeah I still think you're either way wrong or confused. You said he was a RT, I showed you he played LT. One of Panthers biggest needs is LT. He also is ranked as one of the better LT. Hence the reason I selected him. With 2 of the top LT already off the board when I picked, I went with the one with the extra size. Not sure where you are getting your info but may want to take a 2nd look

You mean RT...info I linked it says he played LT 31 of 33 games. So not sure why that poster assumed I didn't know what I was doing lol

You're SADLY mistaken my fine feathered friend....You must have him confused with another player I guess? That or you're just got it dead wrong.. but here ya go... https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/04/20/nfl-draft-final-big-board-top-262 17. Trevor Penning, OT, Northern Iowa (rSR, 6'7", 325 pounds) Penning plays to the echo of the whistle and has the tenacity and nasty demeanor that will endear him to his coaches. He has prototypical size and length, outstanding strength and athletic feet. While he has primarily started at left tackle (31 of 33 starts) and could succeed there at the next level, he may be even better on the right side

Well if Hall is selected round 2 would be the earliest round it happens . So maybe you will get the best of both worlds and Berman ends up announcing it

Lol, I'd love to have kind of money he has and nobody wanted me so I could retire. Anyway, seriously though...He would be the starter for Panthers probably. Seattle too easily. Maybe a couple other teams with sad QB situations, those were 2 off top of my head.

Oh sorry...I thought Falcons was after me. My bad

Definitely can see them going OT. While it would be hard to pass up on Hutchinson, got to keep their QB protected....

Lol, this was 1st thought I got when I read thread title and was going to mention it too. The almighty Duck was best kept secret QB2 and was said to be better than Josh Allen... Lol, that will be a hard one to forget

The Panthers were originally wanting to take a swing picking QB Willis obviously with the current QB situation in place. Unfortunately Lions got there 1st. Although while a QB is greatly needed, Willis was the only one we were willing to take the chance with 1st round pick... So Panthers will start up front and improve the OL for when the time comes we find that special someone in a QB he will be well protected.... With the 6th pick-Panthers select ---Trevor Penning OT Northern Iowa. Falcons @GunnerBill are on the clock.

Lol, he wants it so bad it's as if it's already happened

Yup, they will do these types of things to get any advantage possible to increase the chances to get the guy they want