Rochesterfan

They would need to send a ton of salary back, but with the dead cap hit - GB could not accept it. NE would need to find spots for Gilmore, Thuney, and probably at least one more big salary and GB would absorb nearly 50 million in dead cap - just not going to happen. I also don’t see it next year as the dead cap is still huge for GB. This is just a chance to see if Love can grow - they have 4-5 years to develop him and allow Rodgers to lead the team. This just does nothing at this point because there is just no way without NE and GB both weakening their teams to the point the trade makes no sense.

Not the least bit worried because of a little thing called the salary cap. The Pats can’t afford Rodgers right now unless they cut or trade about 5-6 guys that weaken the team.

what makes you think Trent Williams is an improvement at all? Where are these rumors of low round picks coming from? Cleveland was in discussion and they made it sound like Washington was still looking for 1st or high 2nd round picks. I am happy with our line and want nothing to do with Washington’s headcase.

Since it didn’t happen - it is somewhat irrelevant, but to answer this: The most likely Minshew result is average play. Minshew is good enough for 5 to 6 wins - much like Fitzy - I think he puts you out of range for Lawerence, but it is not good enough to win long term.

Well Yannick is still a Jaguar and it sounds like they did not get the value for a trade offer (or any legit offers at all). Could it be because he is being a Jack wagon which hurt his value - thereby making it harder to move him. Hmm. I still think he gets traded, but if he had made his wishes known and shut up - he would of had more value and maybe a mid level team takes a shot with a first round pick. With GMs questioning his attitude and the draft pick cost and the new deal he will want - his value is about as low as it will get right now and the Jaguars hold his rights. It looks more like a Bell or Clowney situation every time he tweets.

I agree it will be interesting. I think they build those boards on athletic modeling and RBs tend to model well. When it gets to how the GMs rate them - my guess is there are many factors that pull into that and position is part of that. Based on everything Beane has said over the last several years with regards to the draft - if he has similar rankings and one of those guys is available and is head and shoulders above others - he will take him. If Beane has the RB and a CB, OT, or DE available with similar grades at 54 - then he has stated he looks at positional depth both on the team and on the board. If he looks at the information they have put together and thinks they can get less drop off at RB with a 3rd or 4th round selection because there is more depth in the draft at that position - I would guess he would take a BPA at a position with less draft depth. The hard part is we will never know exactly what his board or his reasoning is. I think the general prevailing ideas around the league is that if there is elite talent (Barkley/Elliott) you take that high - other than that you wait until they are far and away the best talent on the board because even elite RBs barely move a win/loss meter. I think Buffalo may be in a good position for that train of thought. Most teams seem to subscribe to the have 3 or 4 guys and don’t worry at all about where you got them. KC had a terrible running back group and they were Super Bowl Champs, SF running back by committee, NE last year had 4/5 RBs to handle the load. The Rams had Gurley (big time lead back) and replaced him with a mid season street FA to get to the Super Bowl. If the Bills get a guy that falls to them and is highly ranked great, if not the difference with a 3rd, 4th, 5th round guy will be very small - the fit is more important for this team.

It will be interesting because that is where they rank - yet most experts think at most 1 RB in RD 1 and maybe none. RBs as a position drop significantly in the draft and QBs are pushed up. RBs are an undervalued position because having a top back - like the Giants, Cleveland, and Dallas - does not get you into the playoffs. QBs are pushed up because they are so much more important. Same with DE, OT, CB - more premium positions. The draft values on RBs are useless because the position as a whole is the least valued position in the game. UDFA like in Denver can come in and be just as good or better than high round draft picks.

Just merge the thread with the draft rumors - where this is being discussed already and we don’t have to worry about the title. The Lions are the key to this draft. I hope they don’t screw it up. I want to see some heavy trade action.

For me it has to be @BringBackFergy - you have to wait until Saturday night to see his final big board, but he will predict player, position, and team - including trades and be darn close to 100% accurate. It is uncanny how good it is and the hints given leading up to the draft - such insight. LOL ? Sorry - I could not resist- I use the draft network as my main guide - they provide a bunch of info from different perspectives. Don’t usually agree, but I appreciate the effort.

If I am Detroit - if they want to keep 5 - then I want 18, 26, 39 and next years 1 (Miami). I may even shoot for a later pick this year or the higher number 2 next year. They have the picks and much like when the Bills had the picks - you make them part of the premium. That would give you 3 more picks in the top 40 and an extra 1 next year - plus whatever else you got.

I love the ability of people with like 50 posts to just create a thread with little thought and then ditch it. Good times.

I could see the exact opposite- if a team got visits and is comfortable- making a move up to get that guy because some others are more unknown. I could see more trades so that teams get guys they were comfortable with. Teams also have less info on what other teams thought leading to you wanting to get your guy because you are not as sure if another team is thinking like you. I love the potential of this draft.

1st - he has not played nice at all. He has repeatedly been a complete jerk about the team and the situation. Enough so that if you read through the various threads - many people even on here wanted him because of his talent and now that number of fans wanted him has dropped off to the point that they are saying he is not worth the headache. The same thing is happening with teams and GMs. They see the way he is acting - so teams are hedging and lowballing the Jags. That is why it becomes less likely the Jags trade him right now. They want what they consider to be fair compensation- most likely a 1st rd pick and maybe a throw in pick. As Yannick acts out - the value teams offer decrease and therefore they are less likely to make the deal at this point. Therefore; Yannick is forced to be a Jaguar longer. My guess is for Yannick - like Clowney- it will take him holding out in the season for a contender to try and make a deal. At that point he will not be able to renegotiate and therefore compensation will be closer to a 2nd or a 3rd. The Jags also have the option of holding on and seeing if he is worth more next year. We both know he does not want to play another game as a Jaguar, but the fact is by acting the way he is - Yannick is lessening the number of teams willing to trade for him and lowering the compensation and that means the Jags are more likely to hold out longer waiting for a deal. Much like Peerless Price years ago in Buffalo - if after making his wishes known - Yannick had shut up - he might have already been traded. He hasn’t and therefore his value has decreased in the short term causing the team to wait.

Correct - which is why I have no issue with it. My issue is with someone calling him a hostage. The team exercised their right with a hope to recoup something via trade. That is their right. Yannick can complain - which drops his perceived value - making it less likely they can find a viable trade partner. If they can’t find a trade partner - then he is stuck either playing or holding out. The Jaguars can then repeat this again next year. Yannick’s best path was to sound engaged and hopeful, but to reiterate that he wants out and to market himself as a good guy in a bad situation. Instead - he has chosen to act like an idiot - reducing his field and reducing his potential salary going forward. Again see Clowney. He was in the same boat - held out and now he is way below expected value on his next contract. He is in a bad enough place that the team that traded a pick for him is looking at repeating the trade with Yannick and letting Clowney walk.

I would assume he will not be a Jaguar for all of this season - let alone next season. See Clowney for what I would expect.

I am not sure what point you think I am missing. I fully understand what you are saying and think it is totally wrong. It sucks for the player, but that is tough - he is not a free agent because the Jags exercised their collectively bargained right to name him a franchise player. That is fine and I do not see the injustice as that is part of the CBA. If the players want it gone - bargain it away. If not - stop whining when it hurts one player - when 14 other players have been tagged and are dealing with it just fine. I get that he does not want to be there, but it is no way unfair to him or to the team that the Jaguars used a viable negotiated option to hold on to a valuable piece and try to recoup some cost. If you do not understand that - then I can not enlighten you further. You see a negotiated part of the CBA as unfair and I see it as a viable option being used. That does not mean it does not suck for certain players that want out, but in no way is he a hostage. He has options to use.

I feel ..... caught in a landslide, no escape from reality....

That might be true, but maybe right now - no one wants to trade for much of anything. The Jags have a few options, but the trade can not happen until he signs. Right now seems to make the most sense for the Jags because you get a 2020 pick and you free up the cash. It also makes sense for other teams as they can get him resigned to a long term contract, but teams are reluctant until after seeing what they can get in the draft. If it drags to the summer - teams will be unable to resign him and you get another Clowney situation. I think ideally Jacksonville would have already made the trade, but reports are many teams are reluctant to trade for the high draft pick because of the draft capital and then the money needed to get a deal done. I also think Jacksonville is not really looking to 2020 and may be more focused on 2021 and they may not mind some extra draft capital next year with Lawerence and most likely a whole new staff.

The franchise tag was designed to allow teams to keep players and sometimes potentially work on contract extensions. There was never any rule designating how or when it could be used. The Bills used this tactic to trade Peerless Price way back in the early 2000’s - as a matter of fact it is a very common usage of the franchise tag. If it was such an issue - why did the players agree to it again. The NFL moved on THC, but the NFLPA left he franchise tag in place. Therefore - don’t blame the Jaguars for protecting their investment - this was part of the CBA and Yannick has choices, but those are bargained for and he is still a Jaguar and not a FA. It is Yannick’s right to walk away, but that involves sitting out a year and he has that choice. Other than that this is no different than any player that is under contract and no longer wants to be on that team.

You would be correct if he was a free agent, but the NFLPA agreed (and left it in he newer agreement) that teams are allowed to designate one player as a franchise player/transitional player and pay them a 1 year salary commiserate with that designation. The team has the option to do that for a couple of years to give them and the player a chance to work things out. If he wants to go (and he has made that clear) then he has limited his own choices at this point. The Jags have said they will move him for fair market value and they have not received that offer. Yannick is now making it harder to reach that - so it becomes less likely the team trades him - which is the point of the twitter battle.

The franchise tag is perfectly fair. If the players wanted it out - they should have negotiated it out of the CBA. The Jaguars are using it exactly as they should - they have an asset they want to keep and have put a tag on that asset. Yannick now has his options. He can sign and be one of he highest paid players or he can hold out. If he wants to be traded - that is fine, but he will have to sign prior to he trade. If he wants to tweet crap about how unfair everything is - then he can do that, but if that makes his trade value drop and the Jaguars decide it is not worth it - then that is on Yannick for causing his own situation.

He is not being held hostage. He is in the NFLPA correct? The league and the NFLPA agreed to the rules. Yannick has options - he is not the hostage. He has the ability to sign the deal and take 20 million this year. He also can not sign and wait it out for no pay and try again next year. He can also wait like some players and sign just prior to the trade. The things he cannot do - sign elsewhere or be traded until he signs the tender. The Jaguars are following what they are allowed to do and are trying to get fair compensation and Yannick wants out. The Khan kid is just saying if you would be quiet it would make things easier. If we do not get fair compensation then Yannick's options are more limited because the Jags do not have to trade him at all. In fact they have the option of doing this for several years - ala Kirk Cousins. This is part of the conditions of employment and Yannick is not a FA - the Jaguars hold his rights via a collective bargained agreement. He is not a hostage - he is sitting with several options all of which pay him well. What the tweet suggests is that if he really wants out - shut your pie hole and we can get a deal done - that includes the Jaguars wanting to offer him a new contract. They will pursue options, but if he tanks his value - there is less chance of a trade and a higher percentage chance he has to sit out some or all of the year. Him being held there because of rules agreed to be the players (and re-agreed to in this last agreement) doesn’t make him a hostage. If he wants to leave - let hem know and shut up so that you can get out. He has not only tanked his value, but limited the number of potential landing spots. Therefore - all he has done so far is increase the likelihood that he will have to dress as a Jaguar this year.

I think this is a huge and misjudged piece to the puzzle. Many teams rush outside guys wide to keep Josh in the pocket - putting them in good position to diagnose screens. They also use LB spy’s on Josh - meaning more guys are looking in the backfield, which helps diagnose screens. Additionally you get some teams like NE playing tight Man coverage that disrupts the screen game as WRs aren’t getting free off the line. The Bills tried to switch some things up by moving to middle screens to combat some of the rush techniques, but the spies worked to blow some of that up as well. The timing also needs to be better, but I think they are hampered by other things as well.

I really disagree with this assessment because you are using total yards gained which makes no sense. First - as a Rookie this regime has shown that it brings them along slowly to prevent them from hitting a huge rookie wall. Most rookies they platoon time with and allow them more time later in the season as they have adjusted. Second - He missed 4 games out of an abundance of caution - so why are we comparing apples and oranges. Singletary was just fine on a per touch basis and that negates your low production claim. Those numbers will increase as a 2nd year player and they give him more time and more touches. If they do draft a RB again this year - I would expect similar to Singletary- they will use the rookie very sparingly- especially early in the year and he will not put up number much better than what Singletary did last year. This is even more true if the rookie has trouble pass blocking - he will get used very sparingly after first down and people will complain about when and how he was used, but it is forced by design. The Bills built up Singletary’s touches and he had to prove he could pass block to get more third down plays and even then in big moments they preferred the veteran presence for protection.

I don’t disagree, but he is just doing his job - trying to draw attention and viewers. There was never any way this was about a player trade or transaction because he would get scooped if he waited. This was always about the league or Fox was given permission to break as part of FOX Sports. He is not out scooping anyone - which is why I thought it had to be related to a donation or grant of some kind to benefit COVID related issues. Something the league and Fox wanted out before the draft, but not something so pressing that it needed to be broken immediately. The most logical thing that fits that is that the League is doing something like a benefit or donation based on the draft to provide money - probably a nice donation to NYC and New Orleans as they have been ravaged.