yungmack

This raises the question: Was Whaley incapable of "building a team" or was he handicapped by decisions made by owner/management? For the sake of argument, let's say he indeed had a strong vision of the kind of franchise he wanted to build, which by all accounts was along the lines of Pittsburgh. And what has made the Steelers a decades-long success? A philosophy strongly held to by ownership, management and coaching about what the elements are that make up a perennial winner. This shared approach dates back roughly to the days in the 60s when Dan Rooney took charge of the team and continues to this very moment. That's a period of about 50 years of stability and success, something unimaginable to Bills fans who have a few years in the 60s and a few in the 90s to fondly remember. The rest is mostly dismal. You cannot have ownership believing in one path to success, a GM building a team along another path, and a coaching staff with a third. The Bills appear to have been following this latter "program" for years, if not forever, going first in one direction then jettisoning that one for another cool idea then replacing that with something else. "Let's go with Tampa Two...No, let's go with the 4-3...wait, the 3-4 is better." "Let's go with light, fast players...No, we need heavy road graders...But the West Coast hybrid's the best...Or maybe a run-first approach with a skittish QB is the way." Out with Chan, in with Marrone...Out with Marrone, in with Ryan...Out with Ryan, in with McDermott... One reason DW was reduced to little more than Super Scout Dougie appears to be precisely the absence of a coherent vision of how a successful franchise is constructed that is shared across all areas. His inability to prevail in selling this vision (if he did have one) is then his true failure. His well-reported clashes with Marrone and Ryan suggest they for certain weren't "sharing" DW's approach and this further indicates they likely weren't the coaching hires he'd have made, which circles back to his failure to convince Brandon, and later, the Pegulas, that his way was the best way to proceed, and he should have the authority to bring it into existence. For those who expect "the right solution is finally at hand because McD is here and DW is not, I'm not so sure. Think about the Pittsburgh model. It took several years of mediocrity before the Steelers we now know emerged. Yet the Rooney family didn't replace Dan, and Dan didn't fire Nolls. They believed in what they were doing and stuck to making it happen until "suddenly" it blossomed. They've been reaping the benefits for decades since. Frankly, I'm not seeing anything similar with the Bills. Pegula seems clueless in that regard. I can't imagine he'll be patient with McD is the team remains mediocre the next three years. Then it will be on to the latest "cool idea." Yada yada yada.

Ones who are insane?

Some good ones. I like Skull.

Il Duce. There is a remarkable physical resemblance between the two men.

Looks like those of you who have been claiming Pegula's the cause of all the incompetence with the Sabres were right all along. This is lunacy.

Teams draft to the HC's vision/system so, yeah, it should feel like we're starting over...because we are.

How's Brady's arm strength? He's quick, and he's accurate. Rocket arm? Not so much.

Kid's a project. Let's give him another year and see what he does. Imagine if he actually began to bloom.

I feel the same way. Guy's been coasting on what is essentially a stolen rep. Kind of like Barry Switzer's Super Bowl win.

82 total posts in, and you've already elevated yourself into the rarefied regions of Knuckleheadery. Congrats!

Any chance they're thinking nickel with this pick?

Why anyone listens to Kiper is a continuing mystery.

If they didn't have Clay,it would be a position of need. Right now, it's about depth. Not sure any remaining TEs are an upgrade over who's on the roster.

Don't care where the Bills finsh so long as KC comes in dead last.

And which QB is likely to contribute more to the taem over the next 3 years than Tre White?

Not a position of need this year. The only possible choice was Howard, an outlier.

By implication, you adhere to the belief that all players are pretty much equal, therefore the more picks you have, the more good players you'll gain. Apparently the Bills - & 31 other teams - believe that some players are better than others, and so one really good player is better than two so-so players. If we go with your theory, then the smart thing would be to trade all the higher picks for about 30 in the 7th round. That about right? What's this "we" crap? I for one "know" Whaley is an excellent GM. But then, I evaluate him based on facts not emotions and biases.

Summarize please. Thanks.

Endlessly? About the same thing? And never see anything positive? That's what being a nagging bore does. Having made your point - over and over and over again - it's time to move along.

The most insidious gateway to addiction is milk. Every junkie in history begins with it. They get hooked on having it around the clock, they scream and cry until they get it and only then do they calm down for awhile. Once the "milk habit" is instilled, it is but a small step to more sinister substances: ice cream, cheese, dulce de leche.

You might want to reframe your question. By definition, every QB on a roster is a "prospect."

There was a lot of talent at 10. But no matter how you cut it, they were only going to be able to pick one player, leaving supporters of all the other choices bitching. My guess it the Brain Trust didn't think any of the players who fit what they were looking for were worth a 10 so a trade down made more sense to them.

It's been a long couple of days so I might have Dawkins confused with another player, but I think the commentators were talking about him being fairly new to the Oline, that he'd been a D player until a couple of years ago. I believe they also said he's played left and right tackle and some guard. Sound like he'll b pushing both Seantrel and Kujo as well as Mills.

Try this on for size: the new guys are younger, will be signed for a number of years, and they save a boat load of money over what Gilmore and Woods would have cost. Now does it make sense? Good.

I'm home recovering from surgery and have enough time to hit all the draft threads and I haven't seen a single hateful post about White. Some people are disappointed because they wanted Howard or Mahomes, etc. But no one was hating on Tre. In spite of the debased state of American culture, making stuff up still isn't cool with most people.