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I just saw Daniel Jeremiah mocked him to the Panthers right after our picks in the first. I'm pretty convinced we're going to trade up in the 1st for a QB, but then I thought about how terrible our WRs were last year, realized after reading about Dabol's new system that the real difficulty is actually largely the skill position players rather than the QB adapting to the system, and then saw this mock (without really ever having watched him) knowing that he just played in Dabol's system last year and that the transition might be relatively seamless for him. Of course at this point not a chance we get Darnold or Rosen or probably Allen so how about Mayfield or Rudolph in the 1st with our 1st pick and Ridley with our 2nd? Hell, that might even be with a trade up to get the QB by giving up one of our 2nds and maybe a 5th, but what do you guys think of Ridley?

Big Ben is/was/and always will be better by a zillion than Bortles, yet the Jags beat the Steelers. Football is a Team sport

I disagree with your assessment, at least based on what I read in these articles. It seems like the E-P system is designed for success for just about any capable QB. But I also disagree that people are saying anything like "Tyrod is a fit" for this system in the sense that other QBs aren't. I think the point of the system is that it's designed to work for any QB but seems to require more intelligent skill position players who need to know all the formations, which is why I said it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills go out and try to get Burkhead, Lewis, Bolden, Amendola, or Slater when the Patriots inevitably let one or two of those UFAs walk in FA in a couple months. But regarding the QB specifically: http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/ “In essence, you’re running the same play,” said Perkins. “You’re just giving them some window-dressing to make it look different.” The biggest advantage of the concept-based system is that it operates from the perspective of the most critical player on offense: the quarterback. In other systems, even if the underlying principles are the exact same, the play and its name might be very different. Rather than juggling all this information in real time, an Erhardt-Perkins quarterback only has to read a given arrangement of receivers. “You can cut down on the plays and get different looks from your formations and who’s in them. It’s easier for the players to learn. It’s easier for the quarterback to learn,” former Patriots offensive coordinator Charlie Weis said back in 2000. “You get different looks without changing his reads. You don’t need an open-ended number of plays.” This simplicity is one of the reasons coaches around the league have been gravitating to the Erhardt-Perkins approach. and For many years, the Erhardt-Perkins offense was known as the original ground-and-pound, a conservative, run-first offense summed up by Erhardt’s mantra, “You throw to score and run to win.” The theory here is that no matter the formation, there is an outside receiver, an inside receiver, and a middle receiver, and each will be responsible for running his designated route. For the quarterback, this means the play can be run repeatedly, from different formations and with different personnel, all while his read stays effectively the same. Once receivers understand each concept, they only have to know at which position they’re lined up. The personnel and formation might cause the defense to respond differently, but for New England those changes only affect which side Brady prefers or which receiver he expects to be open. I don't know what happens, but I think cover_1.net pretty much nails my feelings about what's going on at OBD and what's going to unfold this season with Taylor: http://www.cover1.net/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-qb-tyrod-taylor/ ...after the hire of Daboll as the team’s new OC, I think Tyrod’s odds to come back for his 4th year with the Bills just got higher. Tyrod clearly wasn’t a fit for Dennison’s scheme since the beginning. His struggles with the quick 3- and 5-step dropback passes were clear from the preseason. Dennison made adjustments during the season, using a lot of play action roll out plays to put Tyrod in space, but his offense never fully worked with Taylor as the QB. Now with Daboll, everything seemingly changes. Daboll likes to run the ball with power concepts, has experience working with a top college dual-threat QB in Jalen Hurts, and will surely know how to maximize Taylor’s skill set. Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn showed the Bills can have a top-10 offense with Taylor at the helm, and Tyrod surely showed Sean McDermott and GM Brandon Beane that he’s a model of a pro, a true blue collar presence in the locker room, always working hard and being a good soldier, even when things didn’t go well for him. He can be a limited passer, but it’s obvious a rookie QB can benefit a lot having a true pro like Taylor around. To this regime character matters, and Tyrod is impeccable in this department.

This is an idiotic post. What evidence do you have that Taylor is stupid? Besides, these articles really emphasize how QB friendly they are. To me, looks easier for the QB to grasp and harder for the other players to grasp. So, I wonder if the Bills, having brought Dabol in, will try to get one of NE's UFAs at one of the skill positions to be there to help teach the other Bills skill players. I see that NE has 3 UFA RBs in Burkhead, Lewis, and Bolden and 2 UFA WRs in Slater and Amendola. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those 5 guys are in a Bills uniform next year.

5 for 5 for 25 yards efficiently and effectively sucks. So poor example. No agenda at all. Replace Tyrod. Upgrade over him. Please. I'm really looking forward to seeing that happen at the end of April, possibly sooner. I just get annoyed by people who make stuff up. Taylor is better than Bortles. Maybe down the road Bortles gets better, maybe not. But right now Taylor's clearly better. Folks with agendas are some of those frothing at the mouth in this thread and that other ridiculous thread about Kornheiser's comments. Particularly guys like the OP, who appears to have been banned for the 2nd time under a new name.

Do the stats show differently because you're looking at raw production rather than efficiency?

Great overall post, but in reading both of these articles I'm seeing the likelihood of Tyrod being under center for one more year more likely rather than less likely. You say yourself that this system "makes it easier for the QB." I'm really not going to be surprised by anything this offseason, but I feel like those people talking Cousins or Smith as our QB in 2018 are talking very distant possibilities. Smith is certainly much more possible than Cousins, who is just a pipe dream, IMO. Regardless... draft a guy in the 1st!

I think Daboll is eager to work with whatever rookie QB we're inevitably going to draft in the 1st, but knows that for 2018, if necessary, Tyrod is a helluva lot better passer than the QB who just led Alabama up to the National Championship game. PS: Tua for 2020!!!

Yep. This system actually seems to be very adaptable to whatever QB is running the system. I guess that's the appeal.

Well, yes, this sounds essentially like a dumbed down offense that can be spiced up depending on players and QB. EJ, unfortunately, was just a serious choke job of a QB and seemed to fold in the most epic manners. Right, which is the way I understood what I read, as well. More QB friendly, Dabol just didn't have a QB who could actually pass the football competently until the 2nd half of the National Championship game.

Well... obviously. We just made the playoffs, isn't winning the Super Bowl the next natural step?

Gotta say, both of these were really interesting reads. It actually sounds like a system that has a ton of options yet, at the same time, really organizes itself and simplifies itself for all the offensive players, particularly QB. Sounds promising for some potentially quick success for a young rookie QB. McDermott hired him quickly... I assume there are reasons

I'm legitimately surprised more don't.

Good one

Wow... deja vu... I think I've read this exact post from you (wait, how many posts are you up to now under this 4th username in less than a year) 1,301 times now. Do you have early onset Alzheimer's or do you actually think it's pleasurable to repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and... Isn't this the very definition of a crusade and isn't this a violation of the CoC here at TBD?

It's a joke because, again, Bortles is the garbage time King. For as much as people want to complain about Taylor racking up his stats in garbage time, those same people damn well better weigh heavily the fact that over the last 3 years Bortles has racked up 3,882 yards and 29 TDs as a passer when his team has been down by multiple scores. It's a joke because if anyone, ANYONE objectively watched the Bills vs. the Jags, they would know that Bortles was TERRIBLE as a passer in that game. He torched the Bills on the ground because for some reason our team was completely unaware the guy is a great scrambler. But Bortles was missing simple wide open unobstructed screen passes to his guys. He missed MANY of them. Hooray, he got a TD on a 4th down play... so that one play means he outplayed Taylor, who watched 3 of his passes dropped, one tipped by a defender making a fantastic play on a very catchable football that was intercepted, and another completion be ruled incomplete because our WR was unaware his right foot was out of bounds? It's a joke. Taylor is better than Bortles. Yards? Great, you stick with your yards argument. The rational world has watched Bortles play.

The Bills were one of the most predictable teams in the NFL on 1st and 2nd down. Defenses almost always knew what was coming just like all of us sitting there screaming at the TV saying we knew what was coming next because it was obvious. Just look at the 1st quarter of the Jags game as an example where, despite not working in that game, Dennison decided to call that play action bootleg to the right 5 times. Again, that was in just the 1st quarter and IT DIDN'T WORK! You understand that type of play calling if it's working even though I think that was a fault of Dennison's, too, because if he has a play that works really well, he would literally call it the very next play and we'd get stuffed. The guy was just a terrible OC. I'm super glad he's gone. Shady had his worst year as a pro (which, by the way, was still really good) and it was primarily because of Dennison. Maybe Shady lost a little speed, but it's not his speed that makes him special, it's his elusiveness, which he clearly still has. Can't wait to see him back in a Bills uniform next year on his way to 12K!

This was a lot more Dennison and the OL than anything. And now Dennison has been quickly let go. Shady's worth it. Let him have it.

riiiiiight... didn't realize you bumped a thread that was on page 3 or 4 at least by the time you bumped it... sure 3 Tyrod threads on the front page? You mean the TWO that are there, one of which I posted purely about Dennison regarding how the Bills had the most stuffed runs (0 yards or less) in the NFL on 1st and 2nd down (was Tyrod even talked about in the OP?) and the other that's really just been good fun responding to Crusher-under-a-new-name? Okay, Eeyore.

Way to bump a ridiculous thread predicated on a ridiculous statement over a week dead. You just loooOOOOOOoooooovvee talkin Tyrod, don't you?

Well said

When the team needed to come from behind by 1-8 points on the year, Taylor was 94/145 for 967 yards for 6 TDs and 1 INT with a passer rating of 94.8. When the team needed to maintain a "slim lead" ahead by 1-8 points on the year, Taylor was 48/79 for 560 yards for 3 TDs and 0 INTs with a passer rating of 94.9. We just didn't really pass very much.

Well, Taylor was actually exactly in the middle of the pack of the NFL when it came to throwing to the sticks (ALEX), according to Footballoutsiders. He was also 17th/34 in AY/A and 20th/34 in ANY/A. He wasn't chucking it down the field all the time like in 2015, but I think it's a bit hyperbolic to say he was throwing the ball a lot shorter than other NFL QBs consistently.

Interesting stuff! Thanks If you're referring to audibles, not every OC lets his QB audible. Hell, Big Ben, 1st ballot HOFer, publicly admitted Haley hasn't allowed him to audible to a QB sneak for years now when that may have been the difference on a 4th and inches play against the Jags last weekend.

Bortles is worse than Taylor. Sorry. Fans like you get suckered into QBs like Bortles without realizing over his career, more of his production has come in garbage time than the vast majority of NFL QBs, by far. Over the last 3 years, here's his production when his team has been down by multiple scores (9 or more points): 28.5% of all of his attempts 30.3% of all of his completions 32.3% of all of his yards 36.7% of all of his TDs 32.3% of all of his rushing attempts 37.2% of all of his rushing yards 42.9% of all of his rushing TDs Bortles is fortunate enough to be on probably the most talented team in the NFL. His production over the course of his career has been illusory and massively in garbage time.