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And I'll thank you for the complement, as well. But may I suggest going back and reading the very first 2 full paragraphs of the OP? You're grossly exaggerating what I'm saying about Taylor. Seems to be a common mistake on a sports message board, though, so by no means are you the only guilty party. I know I have been guilty of doing it, myself.

Muchos gracias!

I really agree with you a lot more than you think I disagree with you. In fact, I almost entirely agree with you. But as for your 220 average passing yard benchmark, Taylor averaged 217 per game in 2015, so it's not like he's incapable of doing that with an outside threat and an OC who calls games that cater to Taylor's strengths. Dennison isn't that guy and he's not going anywhere, so Taylor just isn't the QB this team should bank on for more than next year.

I gotta say, I love the links! Are you able to just ask questions to pro football reference and it searches and compiles the data for you? Good stuff! So, it isn't the "vast majority of QBs," I was wrong there. But it's not all that anomalous. Over 20 starting caliber QBs have had multiple sub 40 Passer Rating games since 2007 and a handful of starting caliber QBs have done the same. I see you included a link to the passing yards too, which wasn't part of that discussion. Why did you choose 180? Plenty of QBs, including a league MVP and a handful of other Franchise QBs have averaged at least 3 sub 180 yard passing games a year over the last 3 years. Again, great find!

Dear Lord, Shady! You ask what target is moving and follow it up immediately by acknowledging that you moved your target. And then, in the very same post, you move your target yet again. It's unbelievable! At what point were we talking about "locked in the top 10 QBs?" Sheesh, I think anytime in the future you ever ask for proof of anything that involves legwork and looking up data, anyone and everyone should disregard because you're just going to constantly change your argument and move your target.

The vast majority of NFL QBs I guarantee you could find games with passer rating is in the 30s. I won't waste my time looking; you're just going to move your target again. They do? Proof? One thing that's sure working against you is that, ya know, we're 9-7 and in the playoffs this year and the guy you're condemning is 23-20 in the NFL over the last 3 years as a starter. I would list all those QBs with that "razzle dazzle" that we so desperately needed and that apparently correlates with wins who actually have worst records then Taylor over the last three years, but then some dummy would accuse me of saying Taylor's better than those guys.

No. 5 picks in a half happened 3 times in 25 years, according to you. And Fitz threw all his in the 2nd half. Peterman didn't see the field in the 2nd half. Who knows how many picks he might have thrown, especially considering he was lucky he didn't get another pick 6 and a lost fumble on a snap he wasn't ready for. There's a reason that was labeled as the worst performance by a QB since the AFL/NFL merger. Peterman was NOT ready. This insistent defense of Peterman is just strange. He's not as bad as that game... But he's not our Franchise QB... do some of you just love him so much because he's the "other" on a team with Tyrod Taylor under center?

Good stuff! Thank you! So the answer is 3: Peterman, Detmer, and Fitzpatrick. Not the hall of halls I expected based on your advertising. Good thing that Chargers DB dropped what would have been a sure pick 6 otherwise Peterman would have been all alone with 6 in a half.

I care a lot more about winning. Call me crazy.

Why do you think it is that NFL teams have significantly lower winning %s when their QBs are throwing above their average passing yards? Exactly

Can you give us a list of guys who have thrown five interceptions and a half?

The 32 QBs, all of who started most of their games (Hundley instead of Rodgers / Savage instead of Watson / Siemian instead of Osweiler or Lynch) averaged 30.8% of their passing attempts when they were leading. That's all QBs. Obviously there are going to be QBs who win a ton and have the lead a whole bunch whose percentages will be higher and you'll have utterly crappy teams like the Browns who almost never have the lead, which is why only 6.1% of Deshone Kizer's passes come when his team was leading. I'm almost surprised there were any in that case. But there were 17 teams who finished with records between 7-9 & 11-5. Not so utterly crappy they never have a lead. Not so dominant they always have it. The QBs for those 17 teams averaged 33.3% of their passing attempts with those teams leading. Please, feel free to check those calculations to make sure they're correct. You'll find them easily in the "situational stats" portion of the stats for each player on NFL.com. Conclusion: On average the Bills threw the ball significantly less than other teams in the NFL with a lead.

We've played this game before. I think at least a couple of us have given you a number of QBs and given reasoning, you just don't seem to listen. Clearly you don't agree, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean you are right. What a GM would do is not the same as whether the QB is better. Bunching those two questions together, which are two very separate things, is a really stupid and dirty way for you to just try and change the argument. Guess you like making moving targets, too. You're probably right

This, very simply, is "the world in reality" , and we have some flexibility in making certainly we don't downgrade and/or we can get some value for Taylor as opposed to just cutting him, which is a possibility but a lot less likely than many here seem to think. You're being naive if you think $16m isn't a modest contract for a top 20 veteran QB. Do us all a favor if Taylor is the starter here in 2018... it's something that seems nearly impossible for you: admit you were very wrong

No, you're just doing your typical you and making a bull crap moving target, like you always do. Remember last year when Taylor was fantastic in the red zone and you still complained constantly about him? If it's what happens in the RZ that counts, then why weren't you a Taylorite (is that really the moronic new name you're using?) last offseason? Hey look! Another moving target! Sorry but I have a life. What time I spend on here I want to spend in focused discussion, not discussion that's CONSTANTLY being shifted because a poster is all friggin over the place.

I've given you 9 QBs already, but let's get to 1/3rd of the teams in the NFL so I'll throw a few more in: Drew Brees- 45.3% with a lead & 15.5% with a 2 score lead. Blake Bortles- 39% with a lead & 8.4% with a 2 score lead. Cam Newton- 37.8% with a lead & 5.9% with a 2 score lead. 12 QBs, including Taylor, average % of passes when leading is 40.1%. Taylor, once again, averaged 26%. 40.1% is not 2% more than what Taylor averaged. 40.1% is not 10% more than what Taylor averaged. 40.1% is 14% more than what Taylor averaged. Friggin hell dude even Jacoby Brissett, QB of a 4-14 team averaged more passes from ahead than Taylor at 28.9%. My context text was based on watching what other teams do with a lead because I sit in a bar watching every game unfold every week since I can't watch the Bills at home since they're never on TV. So I had context, just from literally watching the games. Now I've provided you with some statistical context that, in fact, supports what I was saying. You're welcome Weird, I responded to your request to give you some "context," despite the fact that I already had some, but you ignore discussing the weight of that context as it relates to the argument. Why is that? Because perhaps it supports my point, not yours? Hmmmmmm???

Agreed. This is why Taylor his contract is so valuable right now. We can draft a guy in the first round, still keep Taylor and evaluate that new guy, who will (we assume) be an upgrade on Taylor. If worse comes to worse and all hell breaks loose with that kid, we still have a competent starter we could extend or Franchise, if absolutely necessary.

Agreed. The little I watched or know of college football, he's actually the guy I want most. Sorry, I read these threads chronologically. I literally just got to this post. I'm pretty sure I responded to this already, at this point.

What an absolutely head scratching statement. Taylor is your QB for at least one hopefully more games and you're saying that you would prefer that our OC doesn't alter his game planning and play calling to the strengths of his personnel rather than rigidly sticking to whatever his philosophical ideals are offensively? We can go and draft a QB in the off-season. If you don't want Denison at this point adjusting to the strengths of his personnel in order to win some playoff games… well, that's just incredibly weird if you are a bills fan.

Really fantastic find here. PFR is really an invaluable resource. Stupidity like this is annoying. Still assuming this is the reincarnation of the perma-banned Crusher. Same posting style and maybe a little extra bravado now that he's granted some anonymity.

What the HELL did this have to do with Maine-iac's comments about Shady's runs by quarter and half?! Oy

McDermott... keep up with me here... is satisfied with winning. That's priority #1. Unlike the nitpickers of yards and points, it seems pretty clear literally the only thing McDermott cares about is having more points than the other team when the clock strikes 0. Yeah, I think he's damn happy with 7 points on the board if the other team had less.

Really bad guess on your part http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year=2017 Taylor, in fact, was 12th in the NFL out of 37 tracked QBs in 3rd and 8+ yard passing conversions. Plus, he was 5/8 converting 3rd and 8+ yard passing plays with his legs on scrambles. If you were to factor those 3rd and 8+ yard scrambles in he was actually 8th %-wise converting 1st downs on those "clear passing situations." Better than the top 25% ain't to shabby now, is it?

Forget? What the F are you talking about?!?! Shady, you're acting like multiple sub 50 passer rating games are uncommon for NFL QBs when, in fact, they aren't. I only looked up Joe Flacco, Phillip Rivers, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning and Cam Newton and every single one of them had multiple sub 50 passer rating games. Honestly Shady, is your disdain for Taylor seriously blinding you this much?