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Well... I guess that would partially explain why he's bringin up irrelevant old $#!+ the way my wife does in the middle of and argument about why I didn't take the garbage out.

Dude... it's the offseason... allow a little fun, will ya? Soul mate or just one super hot chick after another.

Enough by what metric? Your own or the standard held to other NFL rookie QBs? If it's the latter--which is what I'd assume you're referring to--the worst thing I think you could say is that Allen's "inaccurate" passes were wider or more off the mark than the other rookies, but his inaccurate throws didn't actually happen with greater frequency than the other guys.

But it doesn't support your argument. I'm assuming you're pointing to my breakdown of Taylor throwing over the middle of the field a few years ago? #1: That wasn't an overly intricate or impossible to chart system. #2: You're really going to use an argument made now 3 years ago--I believe that was the offseason after Taylor's 1st year--to support your adhominem argument? Doesn't make much sense Understand? No, they might not carry the same bias as me, but that doesn't mean they don't carry bias. Of course throwaways are part of overall stats. Duh. But does PFF count them? Do they count batted/tipped passes? That image just shows passes that are underthrows and overthrows. So are throwaways in the overthrow category? Considering a throwaway is something often thought of as a positive thing, to include them in an accuracy breakdown is disingenuous. Of course. How many times have I said that already? How many times do you need me to say it? And do you understand that PFF has people, not robots charting all of these passes and that all people are subjective? I didn't expect my findings to sway a poster like you who has it out for me, but at the very least, I would have hoped it would have pushed you to look at at least a handful of games, chart your findings, come back with what you have so you can then shoot me down rather than just lazily accept PFF's findings. My problem isn't even with the numbers they came up with for Allen, it's the pretty clear disparity between his numbers and those of Mayfield and Jackson. Would your bias be in the way in the sense that you'd be looking to find any way to discredit my own findings? You aren't that petty, are you? As far as time, believe it or not, you can do it relatively quickly if you have 2 browsers open and gamepass. Just click on the game logs and look at the play by plays and find where all the passes are so you can go right to those passes rather than watching every play. Sacrifice a couple hours of reading and posting on here for charting your own numbers and you aren't sacrificing any time at all, actually. That's what I did. As far as track record for evaluations, I think I've done visual evaluations of plays on gamepass only one other time and that was the Taylor middle of the field thing a few years ago that you referenced, and again, much to your distaste of Taylor, there wasn't much wrong there, either.

Wow. Does it just suck being you?

I think Dorsey and Palmer are the frontrunners. Maybe Morhningweg who was named in another article. Anderson is definitely the interesting dark horse.

That's weird. Why are you bringing up Taylor? What does he have to do with this? That's nice. You can trust them if you want. I got no problem with that. But you're trusting them blindly. Well, we can disagree. And we do. I think these "experts" and pundits are often victims of their own analysis, and what did the analysis about Allen coming out of college overwhelmingly state? "Josh Allen has an area code accuracy problem and should sit on the bench for a year or two to learn the game." Now that Allen's rookie year is over and it was for a team like the Bills that just doesn't get a lot of national attention who finished with a worse record than last year and Allen's numbers in the passing game look mediocre to poor, it's pretty easy to gloss over that with an "I was right" and move onto the next guy. You can trust their system, but their system involves nine different categories. If you trust that someone from PFF has accurately divided up Allen's 320 throws into those 9 categories--and it's actually probably significantly less than the 320 total throws because I would assume they would discard throwaways or batted/tipped passes, but since there's nothing to explain that part, who knows?--and is left with an average of less than 40 throws for each category, which means that a single ill-defined pass moves the needle more than a couple percentage points one way or the other.... then... well... you go ahead and do it. I'm not even saying my numbers should be 100% trusted. I did the exercise, was aware of potential subjectivity and tried to absolutely throw it out the window, but also acknowledge that that would be completely understandable for someone not to trust me. But that's why I think you should try it yourself rather than blindly trust someone like PFF. You don't have to be. Try it yourself and draw your own conclusions if you're that skeptical of mine. If you distrust them that much, though, and just don't want to try the exercise, then what's the point of your arguing with me over something you refuse to do? Agreed.

Does he have a sweet thing goin? How much do you think he makes? Regardless, if Jordan Palmer has any desire to coach in the NFL, this would serve as his chance and if Allen developed quickly he could get OC offers relatively quickly... like a year later when Daboll leaves Buffalo.

That was what I saw. Maybe unsurprisingly Baker Mayfield was the one with the most batted balls at the LOS. I don't have the breakdown of tipped at the LOS vs mid air on the way to the WR, but Mayfield had the most at the LOS and Darnold had by far the most mid-flight.

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2019/01/29/david-culley-hired-away-buffalo-bills-baltimore-ravens-josh-allen/2711845002/ Buffalo Bills in need of new quarterbacks coach as Ravens poach David Culley McDermott’s hiring of Culley in 2017 for his original Bills’ staff was always met with a bit of curiosity because he had never coached quarterbacks in the NFL. Culley spent the first 23 years of his NFL coaching career teaching wide receivers with the Steelers, Eagles and Chiefs. He and McDermott spent several years together on the Philadelphia staff of Andy Reid, so familiarity was one of the reasons he was brought to Buffalo, but putting him in charge of quarterbacks seemed odd. Allen often spoke highly of Culley, but Allen was a rookie who spoke highly of everyone. Perhaps Culley helped Allen, but this seems like a great opportunity for McDermott to hire a true quarterbacks coach to take a deeper dive with the first-round pick. One candidate could be Jordan Palmer, who helped Allen in the lead-up to the 2018 draft and will be working with him over the next couple months in Southern California. However, Palmer has his own quarterback-training business, Summit QB, and he may not be interested in working with a specific team. Another name worth considering is Jim Bob Cooter, the former offensive coordinator in Detroit who worked on the same Kansas City Chiefs staff as Brian Daboll in 2012. That year when Daboll was the offensive coordinator, Cooter was a quality control coordinator. And one more possibility would be former University of Miami quarterback Ken Dorsey. He is the offensive coordinator at Appalachian State, but was on the Carolina Panthers staff with McDermott as quarterbacks coach from 2013-17.

It's because I actually watched every single pass of all 5 rookies along with Watson--so far---and as I watched every single pass I identified each pass simply as catchable or uncatchable and what I saw was that Allen's accuracy was at least similar to all the other rookies this year and Watson last year. That's why. It's not that their observations don't align with my confirmation bias. It's that their system is clearly overly intricate and impossible to accurately chart with NINE different categories each throw would fall into. And how is each of those categories defined? For example, are passes 20 yards down the field to a WR who has to stop in the middle of a crossing route to catch the football in his chest still one of those throws that they categorize in that "Accurate+" circle in the middle of the body? Seems like my "confirmation bias" is no stronger than theirs, honestly.

Was he? How do you know? Maybe you're right, but he was our QB coach for the last 2 years and it didn't seem like Culley was responsible for much production from the position. I don't think it was coincidental that Allen's improvements coincided with our acquisition of Anderson off the street and Allen getting the opportunity to be on the bench for a while. You might be right, but I just don't know why you assume he was great for Allen's development or why he isn't relatively easily up-gradable as a QB coach.

Okay my bad. He played QB in college and then worked with WRs and other aspects of the offense for 17 years in the NFL before randomly becoming our QB coach. At least Palmer had 7 years in the NFL as a QB somewhere on the depth chart of an NFL team and has been working for years coaching up young QBs.

This would be a pretty awesome move, I think. Unlike Culley, Palmer played QB and has recent experience independently coaching up the position. Plus, since he isn't currently a coach of ours, he hasn't been breaking any rules in the CBA in working with Allen despite the fact that McDermott said that he would make sure “we’ll be in touch with Jordan and make sure we’ll in sync with stuff as much as possible in terms of terminology, technique, things that we feel like he’ll need to work on." McDermott you are a sly fox if you put off hiring Palmer until after he's done working with Allen

Yes, clearly Schatz doesn't like Allen Doesn't matter. Perception is reality. Allen looks like he could be an excellent pocket passer if his OL actually gave him time to throw it. He demonstrated that last year when he was given time and often when he wasn't given time and was smashed while making a great throw, like the TD to Foster in the Jags game. I actually kinda do wish that others would try this exercise. I look at something like PFF and see a series of tweets like this: and I just can't take them seriously having watched all of these guys play.

This is the kinda stuff that made me start this exercise. Schatz has been one of those really highly respected guys saying Allen is somehow so much more inaccurate than other rookies. He's not wrong that Allen misses easy throws, but he's very wrong that Allen is unique in that sense among good rookie QBs. This kinda statement is the equivalent of, "before you eat that lemon, watch out! That one is sour!"

These semantics don't fly anywhere. Saying someone has had a traumatic brain injury or that they sound like they had a helmet to helmet with no helmet is simply a loquacious way of obviously calling them stupid. You're smart enough to understand that, right?

Lied about you calling someone stupid...? Okay then...

I haven't reported anyone. I rarely do. But you're getting personal calling people stupid and questioning brain cell counts. Yeah, that's not just talking. And the fact that the arguments you're actually trying to make in the context of this topic are weak and unsubstantiated makes it that much worse. At the very least, if you choose to insult someone's intelligence, do it while you're making intelligent contributions yourself so you have a leg to stand on.

Halfway through The Punisher season 2 and loving it. Wife and I just finished season 1 of The Good Place, which is super funny. Has anyone watched Castle Rock on Hulu? I don't even have Hulu, but in the last 7 or 8 months I've read The Outsider, The Stand, and I'm almost through Salem's Lot right now so I kinda dig the idea of a Stephen King multi-verse. Haven't started that show mainly because I don't currently have Hulu.

Honestly why even tune into SU regular season basketball games? Syracuse just needs to get into the NCAA Tournament in whatever fashion. At that point they're going to make their inevitable "improbable" run to the Sweet 16 or beyond. I think Boeheim is very transparent about his general regular season complacency and his players are a reflection of that.

With the itchy trigger fingers certain mods have these days, you're just begging to be banned.

Thanks Mitch. And I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it.

Wait... did you just say Kellen friggin Moore is now an OC?!