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Your reasoning seriously just utterly lack context? Do you think, honestly, that Jackson would be doing what he's doing outside of Roman's offense? Without Mark Ingram? Without his OL which consists of 2 pro bowlers? Without a Head Coach who has absolutely invested in him? Lamar Jackson is fantastic this year, but put him on Buffalo and I would say it's absolute stupidity to believe he would come even close to replicating what he's doing in Baltimore with this OC and these weapons. The reason no one can have a reasonable conversation with you regarding this subject is because you clearly believe any QB play is an apples to apples comparison from one team and one offense to another. It's baffling and head scratching that you're still here even arguing this. Isn't there a Patriots message board where you can go cheer for your team or something?

What an absolute joke. With the Bills OC, OL, WRs, TEs and RBs you think all those QBs would be able to mimic what Allen did this year? SOOOOOOOOOO many QBs we could pick apart as to why they would almost certainly not be able to operate under the circumstances of the Buffalo offense (Cousins , Prescott , Ryan , Tannehill , Brissett , Mayfield , Rivers , Jones , Winston ) that it's just so friggin ridiculous to go through. Are you seriously this lost? Seriously? Put those dome guys like Cousins and Prescott and Brissett (pfft!!!!) on Buffalo and see how they do. Put those statues like Ryan and Rivers on Buffalo and see how they do behind this OL. Give any of those guys Buffalo's WR corps and TEs and see how they do. My dear lord. Some of those guys you listed could very well be better, but you're just delusional at this point. Or trolling...

Again, you're wrong.

I disagree. I watched every single pass of Allen after the season was over along with every single pass made in the rookie seasons of Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Wentz, and Watson. Josh was no less accurate on the whole than any of those other rookies after tracking all those passes. This, right here, is Allen's BIGGEST problem. And it was his rookie year, as well. It's not accuracy. It's making the right reads and processing time. That was his biggest weakness his rookie year. He drastically improved in that over the offseason, but he still has plenty of room to grow. Josh was wildly inaccurate on a single throw and Collinsworth literally pointed to it in the broadcast in something like a "see, this is what I'm talking about" moment. It was a little ridiculous. He gushed over the defense, especially Edmunds, which I thought was weird because up until the last few games, Edmunds has been a little underwhelming. I mean, it was hilarious because they actually replayed a play where Edmunds made a tackle and were raving about him on a play where he allowed a guy to get a 1st down. Maybe they do their HW for our next SNF game, but I was really disappointed in the broadcast. Again, you're wrong. Allen is tied for the league lead with Russell Wilson in 4th Quarter Comebacks this year (4) and Game Winning Drives (5)

Does Allen deserve credit for the 5 games the Bills won where he led a game winning drive in the 4th quarter?

The league has changed. Offensive lines have gotten worse overall... probably because of collective bargaining and limited practices. Who are the best QBs in the NFL drafted within the last 15 years? How many of those guys are statuesque (or close to it) like the QBs you just mentioned? Allen is honestly the prototype of the NEW QB, and if he keeps improving, Bills fans very well might build a statue of him in Buffalo the way Jordan Palmer said we would.

Our defense has been exceptional, but you neglect the context of our team needing to score. And that's been the sole requirement of the offense Our defense hasn't scored one TD. Our Special Teams has scored one TD in garbage time against Miami. I know some might dismiss TDs other than offensive TDs, but the Bills have been dead last in the NFL in defensive TDs over the last 2 years. They've had ZERO. Think the 2015 Panthers don't lose another game or 2 without their 5 defensive TDs? Or the 2018 Bears without their 6 defensive TDs? Or the Pats without their 7 defensive and ST TDs? Allen has gotten this team TDs when he's needed to... whether through the air or with his legs. He's scored 82% of this team's TDs, which is the highest percentage in the NFL. Allen isn't there, yet. But he's not a bottom tier NFL QB. Anyone who actually watches this team objectively would understand that. Don't say dumb things like that.

Allen has a passer rating of 114 in the 4th Quarter and 118.2 in the 4th quarter when the game is within 7. Do you care about Wins?

You're wrong

See, if this is the "even" you're talking about, you've missed the last 18 months. Since the draft process, there has been a national narrative on Allen that he is wildly inaccurate and that he's too raw to really win with right now. His completion % and the team's record confirmed that for most of the nation (and some on this message board) just last year. This year, the team is winning. We have one of the 2 or 3 best defenses in the NFL. So that's what everyone points to. But an objective observer would have to at least acknowledge that Allen has drastically improved over last year and has been successfully operating an extremely conservative offensive gameplan that relies heavily on the defense, but has also (pretty frequently, actually) needed Allen to go out and make critical plays at critical times in the game in order to get the W. Josh Allen is currently tied with Russell Wilson at #1 for both 4th Quarter Comebacks AND Game Winning Drives. He's also converted 3rd and Long at the 2nd highest rate in the NFL... remember that the TD to Kroft the other day was on a 3rd and 9. Allen is doing great things pretty consistently at times the team needs him to rise to the occasion. It does get a little frustrating when you're listening to our first national broadcast on SNF in over a decade and they don't talk about your QB when he does that in the same manner you hear them on a weekly basis talking about other QBs when they make these plays. Hell, with other QBs like Mahomes, I guarantee Collinsworth would have spent a few minutes just going back to that little 8 yard pass Allen made to Beasely where Allen made just an unreal throw across his body that took crazy arm strength. But it was Allen, so what they focus on instead is ONE really bad pass Allen makes out of 25

What you're neglecting is the impact 5 passes has on completion % alone. If this team were just average in the league, Allen's completion % is just under 61%. That might not be good enough long term--though with Allen, it might be--but it's nearly a 10% improvement over a rookie year where people complained he was just awful in terms of accuracy. In my dream world, Knox puts in a ton of work this offseason the way Tony Gonzales did after his rookie year when he had issues with drops and becomes the reliable and consistent target Allen needs. Hell, if Knox can learn to catch the damn football, the Allen to Knox connection could be one of the most potent combinations in the NFL for the next decade +. But he needs to learn to consistently catch the ball. The rest of our WRs just need to grow a couple inches

And the Dolphins just overtook the Bills for #1 in drop %. Looks like they had a TON of drops the other day. Phins at 5% Bills at 4.9% For some context, though. Posters seem to believe completion % is completion % and ALL QBs have drops. Bills are currently 2nd worst in drop % and 2nd in total drops. If the Bills were just middle of the pack in the NFL in drops (15 rather than 22), Allen's completion percentage goes up to 60.9%. If we jumped to #5 (12), it jumps to 61.5%. And if our WRs were best in the league but still dropped some and we sat at #1 (4), Allen would have a completion % of 63.3%.

The Athletic has a great article on this moment right now. This Styx song is the Steelers rally song for nearly 2 decades. McDermott blasted it in practice at least 30 times all week so everyone would just be used to it. They were. The play after this song: Josh Allen throws a 40 yard strike to John Brown. This Bills team is a road team.

This kid is just awesome!!!

Do we have the highest drop % or not? Do you not get frustrated when our WRs are unable to catch passes they should?

Wow way to totally ignore the context here. You clearly assume his W/L record would be much worse because you're clearly making an apples to apples transfer of him out of this team and onto another and assuming production would be the same. Our defense has been fantastic... absolutely Elite. Frankly, it should be considering we have a former DC as a Head Coach and we've clearly built this team around defense. That also lends itself to a certain type of offensive philosophy, which is very conservative. It means get the lead--even if it's just 1 score--and let the defense hold onto it. I really don't think McDermott would change that philosophy all that much for any QB he might have with a Defense this good. But Allen has been the QB executing 1/2 of that philosophy. He's scored 82% of this team's TDs. That's the highest % in the league. So that whole "get the lead" half of this equation has been executed very well by Allen all year, even though it's often later in the game than we'd like. He does what's asked of him, often at critical times like on 3rd down or in the 4th quarter. We don't have to pretend he's good. He is. Now I hope Daboll and McDermott loosen the reins a bit and allow him to be great

Top 5 in total passes dropped in terms of drop %... and this isn't yet totally accurate as I explain below: 1) Bills at 4.5% 2) 49ers at 4.2% 3) Bears at 4.1% 4) Dolphins at 3.7% 5) Pats at 3.6% Those numbers are actually based on last week's total # of drops combined with this weeks total completions, but we don't have the total drops factored into those stats yet... at least I don't believe they do because the numbers haven't changed for any of those teams. The Bills drop % going into the Steelers game was actually 4.7%.

Allen makes the throws he needs to make, often at clutch times, like in the 4th quarter in a tied game in the red zone in 3rd and 9. And then he makes throws like this that I don't know if any QB outside Mahomes or Rodgers makes:

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving This was before the Steelers game and it's total passes dropped. Simple math after that. Dropped Passes / Total Passing Attempts = Drop % Bills had the 2nd highest number of drops in the NFL at 20 before the Steelers game. #1 was Chicago at 21. Chicago has 62 more attempts on the year. New England, who is tied with the Bills in total drops at 20, has 91 more pass attempts on the year. And you can keep on going down that list. Bills were #1 BY FAR coming into the Steelers game. Doesn't look like drops have been updated for the games that happened this weekend, but I can't imagine yesterday changes anything. Did you not believe me?

The Bills have the highest drop % in the entire NFL by far. The facts are the facts.

What he says... That's because our WRs are actually catching footballs and making plays in those games. He would have been over 60% again last night if not for more drops.

Only 2 completions in the 4th quarter yesterday, but one was the 40 yarder to John Brown and the other was a TD pass on 3rd and 9. Pretty huge. Would love to see our HC & OC stop being so damn conservative, though. 2 3 & outs after that TD when a couple 1st downs coulda ended it... ridiculous we don't even make a real effort to get those 1st downs.

No. No. No. Own the opponent. I understand who we were playing against. That wasn't the Baltimore defense from last week. Pittsburgh was actually a lighter defense than what Buffalo saw last week. But our play calling still allowed the opponent to potentially tie the football game within the final 2 minutes of the football game (TWICE!!!!) when it NEVER should have come to that. Our coaches don't coach to win. They coach not to lose. That's fine against Devlin Hodges. How's it going to work in the playoffs against Brady/Jackson/Mahomes/Watson???

The Bills made the playoffs 2 years ago. How is this a measuring stick? I think Allen could be much better right now. I also fear this style of conservative coaching in the playoffs. Running the ball 3 times inside the opponents' 10 yard line (while being closer to the 10 than the 5) demonstrates fear, and lots of it. Fear trounces you out of the playoffs. So sick of cowardly coaching.