BullBuchanan

Opened a thread expecting a terrible take, and got a rant on the intricacies of the English language on top of it. Expectations exceeded 11/10.

Well he was the worst one of all the QBs drafted in the first round by a considerable margin. I actually think he's pretty spot on with how the kid could have some success. The bills would be wise to invest heavily in elite WRs over the next couple years. a couple boasting extreme catch radius and body positioning and a game breaking threat to limit the amount of shots we have to take when they pan out. Larry Fitzgerald in his prime comes to mind. that guy put up 1700 yards with anyone under center. Historically, it hasn't proven possible over any sort of sample size to significantly improve a QB following college. There are a lot of articles/research about it.

I'm betting he knows what work is. Unfortunately he also knows what cocaine benders are.

That's not at all what I'm trying to say. Good QBs can throw a whole team on their back to beat inferior schools. Big Ben threw Miami of Ohio on his back and carried them to a 13-1 record, throwing near 70%, for more yards, touchdowns and fewer interceptions than Allen did in his whole career. With that he was only deemed good enough to go at #11. What case can you make that Allen is a better prospect? You absolutely don't have to go to a big school to be great - that was never the point. But if you can't dominate the worst competition in college and carry your team on your back, how can you do it in the pros?

I'm pretty sure every starting QB in the NFl knows what "work" is. Lots of QBs have a great work ethic, I don't put a lot of value on it. I'd rather have people that are good. How good were Ben's receivers at Miami of Ohio? Flacco's at Delaware, Losman's at Tulane, Bortles at UCF, Wentz at NDSU, Kaep at Las Vegas. There's more successful college QBs from small schools than you could fit in a phonebook, but somehow Allen wasn't one of them. Could he be the next Matt Cassel? Sure, why not.

Of course she's not qualified, but then again few executives/owners are. Her job is likely going to be asking questions of people who actually do work, and setting forth broad strategic goals that others will help define. They own the company, and it's hard to not make money in the NFL. Unless they make a big deal of promoting it, we'll probably all forget about it in a couple years.

Having grown up on a farm myself, yes I do. That said, I think what makes this issue so hard to sell is that he's never been good. He wasn't recruited to a top high school, didn't get recruited to a big college, and performed very poorly at the small college he was at. Let's say he threw for 12,000 yards, 100 TDs and 10 INTs at Wyoming. The story would be, yea but he didn't play anyone. Can his game translate against real competition? Allen should have wiped the floor with the likes of San Jose state. Dropping 7 touchdowns in a game should have been a weekly occurrence for him, but it wasn't and he never did. In fact, I'm not aware of any games that his opponents came in "dead man walking". You've got kids from Texas Tech and Oregon that have gone out there and embarrassed top notch competition on a consistent basis, and we don't even remember them after they go undrafted. Just because this kid is 6-5 and can throw the ball far doesn't make him a good QB. I want to pray that he'll find a way to inject a completely different player into his body over the next couple years, but I'm seriously doubtful that can happen. How on earth can this kid compete with QBs from small conferences that ran over their opponents, let alone people like Brady who does it to the best teams in the league? I don't care how much effort you put forth, there's a thing called talent that usually rules the day.

*AFC Championships

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

If we ever joined the Arena league, I'd be all aboard for that.

Why would you screw with perfection? I've been waiting my entire life for the Bills to go back to the uniforms they have now. These should sty forever and become as iconic as the Red Wings or Green Bay.

Yea, because radio stations are where the breaking news happens in 2018. Stop yelling at the clouds, grandpa - there are kids on your lawn.

He might be the least pro-ready QB prospect ever taken in the first round, based strictly off production and skillset. Watching the games that were shared in another thread, the kid just heaves the ball around hoping someone will get it. I've got to hand it to him, he probably throws the prettiest interceptions of anyone I've ever seen. The fact remains though that's he's pretty much a one-look guy who stares down receivers, loves to throw the ball across his body to the opposite end of the field int he hopes that everything will be fine. It won't be. The kid has a good arm, and escapabililty under pressure. He lacks short and long accuracy, knowledge of what his receivers can and can't do, sound judgement under pressure, and the ability to diagnose a D for maximum YAC. If Al Davis were alive he would've traded the farm to take this kid #1 overall. Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score.

It's hot new jargon going everywhere throughout the industry. Announcers and draftnicks are all over it, so it's likely here to stay.

Honest question. All over the boards I've seen it repeated over and over since the draft that Allen has the highest ceiling. What exactly does that mean and how are people getting to that conclusion? What QB does he look like if he gets there? How does he win games? What are his losses like? Why can't Mayfield be the next Drew Brees? Why can't Darnold be the next Marino, Rosen the next Eli, Rudolph the next Roethlisberger? If Allen becomes the next Favre, is that the pinnacle of quarterbacking? How EXACTLY does Allen have the "highest ceiling" when he's never played better than any of his peers going back to pee-wee?

The several thousand he's taken up to now don't count?

I mean, Luck is a top 10 QB and once all the current Hall of Famers retire he'll be Top 5. I'd say it worked out just fine. Guys get hurt.

Once he can pass as well as Peterman, maybe he can set his sights on Cam.

"Cam Newton scouting report compares to Josh Allen" - It may need to age a few years for its bouquet to really be appreciated.

All the kid ever did was throw touchdowns, complete passes and win football games against some of the best teams in the country. What makes him worse than a guy that did none of those things?

How many National Championships did Josh Allen win?

The real story is that as of today, Peterman is a better QB than Josh Allen. Allen has a long way to go trying to figure out how to play quarterback at a D1 level, let alone a pro level. I hope he gets there, but it might take him 2-3 years on the bench.

"Had"

Really? He's kind of the same player as Allen is: an athletic freak that doesn't have a pro level skilkset at this time. There are a lot of concerns about his ability to diagnose plays, not get baited, and to take appropriate angles to the ball. Not exactly small concerns for an MLB prospect.

You lost any remaining credibility right there.