Doc Brown

Us arguing about a QB selected 23 years ago is prime off-season. LOL. David Carr was never considered a slam dunk prospect. He had a strong arm but only one year of high level play in college mostly against defenses. It was considered a weak QB class and there were major concerns about his throwing release, holding onto the ball too long, and not going through his progressions quick enough. The Texans did him no favors as you don't build from the outside in on offense as it was a weak line. However, all the concerns coming out of college came to fruition in the NFL. I said elite QB prospects can overcome a terrible situation. Average NFL starting QB prospects are more reliant on the team and organization so they'll bust if drafted in the wrong spot. David Carr was never more than a potential average starting QB IMO.

You saying that I said Rousseau had no impact and that was my only gripe. Your pesky stats proved me wrong. It is impressive that Groot's season was almost as good as Verse's who won Defensive Rookie Of The Year. It's funny because I thought the Groot re-signing at number was the best move Beane made this off-season and I came across as an anti Groot guy in this thread. If (and a big if) both him and Bosa stay healthy this year we could finally have a decent pass rush.

David Carr's biggest weaknesses were holding onto the ball too long (very similar to Rob Johnson), reading pre snap blitzes, and would try to run instead of throwing the ball away (not ideal when you're a pocket QB). Give him a lousy offensive line and that's what you get.

Yeah but Shakir and Kincaid would've made his role redundant as he's mostly a slot WR. It's the not trading up for Brian Thomas Jr. that's frustrating. Maybe they tried. Who knows? I'd love for Coleman to tear it up this year so he can shut all of us up.

Right but the whole defensive line rotation purpose is to keep guys fresh. The fact that Verse played more snaps and still had a higher pressure rate carries a lot of water with me. Especially being his first year in the league. Rousseau's contract even if he's reached his ceiling was completely the right move by the Bills because it will look like a steal in a couple of years. I'd still rather have Verse though on a rookie contract if I had to choose.

I read his first and nothing above that in all honesty. Even looking at your stats though you're assuming more volume would equal the same production. I think Groot is right below that elite tier of DE's but Verse's rookie season was better than any Rousseau's had through four years.

Wasn't responding to your post.

Where did I say Rousseau had no impact? As for never coming close to that kind of production.........

Finished second in the league all time for pressures created with 77 (three behind Bosa's rookie year) by a rookie since they started counted pressures. Also, PFF has him as one of four rookies in NFL history to have a pass and run defense grade above 78.4. The other's being Garrett and two other guys named Von Miller and Joey Bosa???? Rousseau has never been close to that kind of defensive impact.

No respect for Tremaine Edmunds.

I knew what you were saying the first time but kind of knew you were about to get blasted by those who didn't. If Justin Fields starts for a team in the 2026 season, I pledge not to eat wings for two weeks.

It's a deceiving contract. It's basically a one year contract that counts about $4m against the cap for one season. Then only $750k in dead money if you cut him after this season. He can get an extra $1m in incentives based on how many catches he makes. I don't think the Bills would agree to those same incentives kind of pointing to my belief that he thinks he'd have more playing time with the Pats then here. I'd have at least matched that contract if I was Beane instead of paying E. Moore $2.5m. I know we're always tight against the cap but it's at most only $1.5m more expensive to have signed Hollins. Then just eating $750k next year in dead cap if you wanted to move on from him.

I'd want to play at a place where I wasn't standing on the sideline as much. I know they get paid either way but when I used to play sports I hated riding the pine.

Correct. It's why Brandon Beane defending his lack of investment at WR hit a nerve this off-season when confronted by it. If you're Hollins though, you had your best year with McDaniel's as the offensive coordinator and you're guaranteed a lot more playoff time with the Patriots. If I was offered the same money from each team, I'd choose the Patriots. I'd much rather have Hollins than freakin' Elijah Moore though.

That's like being the skinniest kid at fat camp.

NFL loves its rivalries. Think they'd prefer five out of conference games over two. Some teams would rarely if ever play each other which would suck for some fans. A Bills fan in Atlanta might never have an opportunity to see the Bills play there. At minimum now they'd play there at least once every eight years.

Try saying Saskatoon Suskatchewan five times.

It would be a great troll job if you had Fields at #5 on your list.

We're the suckers that watch the two extra Wild Card games each year. They'll never go back to a twelve team playoff field because that third Wild Card spot means more pivotal games at the end of the year and the NFL makes a lot of money with those two extra Wild Card games. Unless they add two more teams in each conference I doubt they'll ever have three divisions again because two divisions will have six teams and one will have five. I think the NFL likes this format. It guarantees you a playoff birth which should be good enough. I think the only tweak that's possible is if you win the division going 8-9 or worse than you are the 7th seed and the three Wild Card teams are 4th, 5th, and 6th in seeding. Other wise, they keep it the same.

First of all, Kincaid and Coleman are different. Kincaid's separation stats were elite for a TE. Brady/Josh was more of a problem than Kincaid. Kincaid's stats were identical pre and post injury. Brady, Allen, and him need to get on the same page if they want this offense to truly be elite. Coleman was inconsistent before the injury and reading the tea leaves he didn't work as hard as he should've to recover from the wrist injury. That's on Coleman.

When you're lacking a premium position player on either side of the ball and have a chance to do it you should or we'll just keep winning our annual Wild Card games. I don't think our offense had a no punt game or something like that against KC.

No. I'm taking to to the grave with me. Same goes for not aggressively pursuing Hopkins when he was still elite going to the Titans when the Bills could've made it work salary wise when we were desperate for outside WR talent. A guy that could've been that could've been that true difference maker down three with three something minutes ago against the Chiefs two years in a row. So, if Josh Allen is out for the year we can't use that as an excuse? Seems a little unfair to Trubisky.

Kincaid is the most obvious player Beane's drafted that will make a huge jump his third year (more obvious than Brown, Knox, Cook, T. Johnson, etc.). Just watch last year's tape and please tell me how Allen/Brady weren't more to blame for Kincaid's struggles than Kincaid.

A lot of fans wanted Worthy too if we're going to be fair when looking back at this class five years from now.

That is kind of a fun hypothetical for this year. I'd make the assumption they brought Hollins back if they drafted McConkey. Who'd you rather have as WR's in 11 personnel... Coleman, Shakir, Palmer/Samuel or Hollins, McConkey, Palmer/Samuel?