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Aren't all draft picks a bet? No matter how good they were in college, there's never a guarantee that they're going to translate that to the NFL (see: Richardson, Trent). I mean, maybe they're gambling a bit more because Allen and Edmunds are both "raw" or whatever but this front office isn't drafting players who aren't ready to come in and work. Half the time when a prospect fizzles out, it's because his work ethic is poop. Allen, Edmunds and the whole 2018 group are workers, which has become a staple of a McBeane prospect/player.

I think he has a legitimate chance to get in someday. As long as he stays healthy and can knock out another couple of seasons like his last two, he'll be within the top 10 in a lot of rushing categories. And I don't think playoffs and championships should weigh too heavily on it. Plenty of guys have made the Hall of Fame without a championship or playoff wins.

I wouldn't say they've ignored it. They've drafted and signed OL regularly over the last decade. Drafted solid players like Wood, Glenn, and Dawkins, signed Incognito, those three helped the team lead the league in rushing in '15/'16. They've added other pieces along the way and have tried to sign other high tier FAs like Rick Wagner last year and Bryan Bulaga a couple years before that. I think a lot of fans are nervous that the OL is gonna have a rough year because of all the losses but that's business in the NFL. Might take some time but I think they'll be alright.

I think if the dude could win game surrounded by one-star recruits, he can probably win games surrounded by NFL talent. Granted, the OL and WRs aren't elite NFL talents but they're certainly better than the teams he played on in Wyoming. Sal C said yesterday that the kid was inconsistent during practice. He made a point to say he wasn't "wildly" inconsistent (that phrase seemed to apply to EJ a lot) but said he would be 100% on the money with some throws and off on others that he should probably make. What I like about Allen is the fact that there isn't a throw he fears. There's no throw that makes him pause and think, "I don't think I can make that." No matter where the ball is going, he has the mindset of "I can hit that" and that's what you want in your QB. On the flip side, you take someone like EJ who seemed to think, "I could probably hit that route but maybe I can't so I better take off and run." Can't remember who wrote it but a scouting report on EJ back in 2013 said it pretty well about how EJ perceives the game. The person EJ trusts the most on the field is himself. For whatever reason, he's too hesitant or not confident enough to make tough throws and give his receivers a chance to make a play. Obviously, it didn't help to have Marrone and Hackett telling him to run any time his first or second read wasn't open. But even before that, you watch Florida State tape with him and he would leave clean pockets or drop his eyes and start tap dancing in the pocket which threw off his timing as he wouldn't see receivers break open or he wouldn't see windows he could throw to that would throw the receivers open. From what I can gather, Allen doesn't have that mentality. Allen is going to trust his teammates to be where they're supposed to be. He's going to take that shot into a tight window to try and throw a guy open. And when it comes to improvising, he clearly has the arm talent to make big time throws on the run or off base. There are some ridiculous throws on his college tape. Throws where he's running toward the right sideline and throws across his body 40 yards down the field to the opposite side. There aren't many guys that have the ability to do that. Could be wishful thinking or whatever, too optimistic, etc. who knows. But I think the dude has the right mindset to be successful. And I think he has a better feel for the game than other "raw/developmental" prospects. I think it'll take some time but with Daboll preparing to do the New England thing and adjust his offense from week to week, that does nothing but provide a wide range of experience in different types of systems which, you would hope, can only help a player like Allen reach his full potential. In time, hopefully he'll be able to adjust on the fly and have full command of the offense with a solid understanding of what the defense is giving him. In time, I said. Or he could be the next Jeff George, who knows.

I think this season may play out a little bit like last season in that they'll probably win some games everyone thinks they should lose and then they'll turn around and lose a couple to teams they should be beating. Truthfully, I think the defense has a great chance to take a big step forward this season. Last season, everyone assumed the secondary would be the weak link but it ended up being the DL. They went out and addressed that by bringing in Lotulelei and Murphy, and then drafting Phillips. Then they land Edmunds, who has a chance to be a truly special player, and he has an excellent mentor to learn from in Lorax. Combine that with the secondary and I think they could be a solid group. Offensively, I expect some growing pains. Especially if Allen starts playing early on. Aside from that, the OL is gonna take some time to come together. Overall, the team is still going to try to win with the run game and a strong defense. I think the defense will keep them in a fair number of games. It'll be up to the offense and whoever is at QB to pull out a few close wins down the line if they wanna get back to the playoffs again.

You're a wizard, Harry!

Yeah, I read up on the guy a little bit. Certainly an intriguing prospect at the least. Practice squad definitely seems possible. He has that athletic versatility that McBeane loves, so, that's already one foot in the door haha. I was going to say Foster as well, but if I recall correctly, de Beer was the first UDFA they signed and from what I read, they went after him pretty early, so, they must see something there they can develop.

Maybe that de Beer kid... just because it seems fitting to have a dude with the last name "Beer" on the Bills.

I can agree with most of what you're saying. It's not uncommon for a lot of first-time head coaches to struggle with game/clock management. As a coordinator, that wasn't part of his job. I'm sure he's picked up plenty of knowledge from the head coaches he's worked under but applying that knowledge in real time is a challenge he'll continue to work at, I'm sure.

What I never really cared for was the influence these guys (Bucky, Sully) had on their fellow writers and journalists. Jonah Javad is one example. He was generally pretty positive and upbeat but then he was assigned to work the Sports Talk Sunday show with a rotating cast of TBN guys. Gradually, Javad started sounding like a carbon copy of those dudes. Jay Skurski is another dude whose writing I've seen start to reflect that of his counterparts, and usually not in a positive way. And I don't care if they wanna hammer on about negative aspects, that's part of the gig. It was the enthusiasm with which these guys discussed negative points. I remember watching a bit of the show last season before the KC game. Bucky very blandly provided his reasons why the Bills could win. And then he provided the reasons why they could lose and holy crap, he was like a kid on Christmas. "If Kansas City gets that run game going, WATCH OUT! It'll be over before it starts. If they can't stop the run, this team is dead in the water and KC will destroy them!!" It was like they just couldn't wait for the Bills to get their asses handed to them so they could flip open their laptops and start writing a self-congratulatory "I told you so" type of article. **** like that just gets old real fast. Same can be said for Sully. It was as if these guys had an extreme reluctance to provide any sort of praise to these teams. And Sully goes to the Super Bowl that one year and makes a complete idiot of himself with what I'm sure he felt were "hard hitting" questions but instead it was picked up nationally and people were like, "This dude is a buffoon." It was also kind of hilarious to see a number of them get their tighty whities in a bunch when McBeane put forth a concerted effort to shut down the leaks. Obviously, inside sources are a major part of being a journalist but it seemed the Pegulas and co. really were just done with the leaks and that really seemed to upset those guys. It felt like a degree of entitlement on their end. Like, "Hey, you owe it to us to provide inside info and news! We're the connection between the team and the fans for information!" That was another thing that irritated me, when these guys would be telling people on social media that "without me you get no insight on your favorite teams!" It's sweet that they find themselves to be that important but with so many media outlets and ways to stay connected, their role as a connection to inside info became minimal. They combined that self-importance with a lot of arrogance, constantly engaging with trolls or people with the most moronic takes ever and avoiding anyone with a decent question or counter-argument.

Right you are on Miller. They had him ranked near the bottom for his rookie year but lauded his performance in 2016. They are reliable to a degree. They certainly are not the be-all end-all on statistics and analysis. They've gained popularity for the different types of analysis and measuring they've created but I've always taken their stuff with a grain of salt. They can watch all the film they want and identify what they may label a negative play but they have no idea what assignments each player has on any given play. I don't recall exactly which season it was, but it wasn't too long ago. Aaron Rodgers caught fire in the second half of a game to lead GB to a comeback win. It was agreed by many that Rodgers was the primary reason the Packers won that game. The next day, PFF slapped a negative grade on Rodgers' performance and tried to justify it with a lengthy blog post. To me, it really just came off as them trying to be different for the sake of being different, which really is what a lot of sites/bloggers/analysts/writers do in order to generate interest and clicks. "What's the census opinion here? OK, lemme express the polar opposite of that opinion and call myself an expert." Granted, it's fine to have opposing viewpoints but come up with a better reason for having those viewpoints other than being the guy with the "controversial" take. Also, this thread title is misleading... my bones are not chilled at all.

I prefer players who are 3/17ths committed, thank you very much.

Definitely puzzling as to why they prefer to keep Groy locked into a backup role. I get that he has the ability to fill in at C/G but they matched the offer sheet from the Rams last season to keep him here. I guess maybe they prefer him in his current role because it'll allow them to carry one less OL during the season?? That'd open up a roster spot elsewhere but that feels like a lame reason to keep the guy at second string. Pretty much everybody agrees that he held it down pretty well when Wood missed time in 2016. I assume he'll get a shot to win a starting job in camp, at least. Miller made huge strides from his rookie to his second year. His skill-set just wasn't a good fit for what Dennison was trying to accomplish. As stated previously, if they decide to use more power than zone schemes then Miller has a good chance to win a starting gig. Mills showed some improvement last season. He can hold his own against bigger pass rushers but he is consistently bad against speed rushers. We'll see if Marshall Newhouse can give him a run for his money. The comments from Bengals fans on Bodine certainly haven't provided much reassurance but we'll see. Hopefully Dawkins doesn't fall into a sophomore slump. Could happen depending on the blocking scheme they run. Teller could turn out to be a steal if they can reach him. I guess his not-so-great senior year was a result of him not getting along with the coaches. Not sure if it's true but I believe I read that he played most of last season with an undisclosed injury so that may have caused his play to drop some. McBeane obviously wouldn't take a player seen as lazy so they must be alright with his senior year and believe the right kind of coaching can turn him into a starter. No superstars on this OL but, I dunno, may not be as horrible as some think. This coaching staff seems to be geared towards running schemes that will maximize a players skill set, you know, the opposite of what Dennison did last season. I think McDermott has been great so far but if he has one blunder it's his decision to hire Rick Dennison. That dude seemed like a last resort kind of hire. I've always wondered if McDermott decided to hire him because Dennison was the OC who helped defeat McDermott's defense in SB50.

I was going to post this. If anyone is truly upset about the situation, be upset at the government. Before 2011, teams waited in the locker room while the anthem was sung. As the article linked above states, the government approached the NFL with a bunch of money to start adding more "patriotism" to the game. Wasting taxpayer money to influence sports teams to show more patriotism isn't really patriotic. The same mouthbreathers that get their crusty old underoos in a bunch over the kneeling are the same buncha mongoloids who are getting beer and nacho cheese all over their dumpster-fresh jerseys as the anthem is being sung. To see some people so enraged by this is just mind-boggling. There are hundreds of other things on the "Reasons to be Angry" sh!tlist that are ahead of "athlete kneels during anthem." Cripes, if you're that worked up, use your energy to do something positive instead of parading around screeching, "Back in my day, we stood! And they should stand, or else!" Or else what? Hit 'em with consequences like this?: German football club banned from playing games for failing to give Nazi salute. There's no law that says anyone has to stand whenever the anthem is being sung. If you wanna consider someone disrespectful because they didn't stand, that's fine, you can have that opinion. What you can't do is start berating/belittling/threatening/insulting, etc. someone who doesn't stand, because that's obviously far more disrespectful than kneeling during the anthem. Doing sh!t like that makes you a total hypocrite and clearly puts on display your astronomical lack of comprehension and idiocy. In the grand scheme of things, this crap is SO friggin' small and insignificant that it's astounding how it's still making headlines.

Last I checked, this was a forum for discussion about the Buffalo Bills... and Josh Rosen plays for Arizona...

That was one of those crazy drought moments that left you thinking, "Really?! They can't catch a break on that one? He does all that and then his own man gets in his way and trips him up? This team is cursed!"

It's not the best group but it doesn't seem like McBeane are concerned because the way they wanna win is still the same: strong run game and a suffocating defense. And people seem to forget that there are a couple of other guys on the roster that don't hold the title of "Wide Receiver" but still catch a bunch of passes. Clay and McCoy will still be key players in their passing scheme.

I read a round-table interview with several athletes from different sports, one of which was former Browns/Bengals receiver Andrew Hawkins. He said when he entered the NFL, he assumed every player was an elite, world-class athlete. What he found out, was that about 50% of the players in the league are elite athletes. I'm not a mathologist but that's something like 4-6 elite players on each team. The rest of the guys are all about even in terms of athleticism, playing and earning a spot all comes down to hard work and availability. DGB lacks in both of those areas. His work ethic is low and he's had injuries from day one. Also, I'm surprised (I shouldn't be) that some fans still aren't familiar with which players are "process" guys and which aren't. DGB is about as far away from being a McDermott guy as anybody. (PS - whatdrought, this statement here is not directed at you, just an overall general thought.)

Thanks indeed! I was a transplant from the BBMB and this gave me a place to continue yapping about this team. Apologies for the knuckleheads that came over from BBMB but for the most part, this forum has been wonderful. Thanks to the mods and the site owner for doing such a great job.

It's all speculation, but I also wonder if he agreed to that contract restructure under the impression that his agent told him something like, "Don't worry, they're just shuffling around money, you're still going to get paid what you're supposed to get paid." And then he signed, maybe the agent misinterpreted the language of the contract or perhaps the Bills were like, "Nah, we needed him to take a pay cut, we won't be making up for that cut in bonuses or anything" and that's what tipped Richie off, because after that, he fired his agent and started trying to play games with the Bills.

I believe he was attacked by a hotel window.

It's kinda sad... someone mentioned autism, I don't think Richie has that... I'm not 100% on this but I think he may be diagnosed bipolar. After the whole Martin thing, he spent his year and a half away from football staying in shape but also in psychological/psychiatric treatment. There was a lengthy interview with him where he said he used the time away to address some internal issues he never really bothered to face. He said that he learned how to control his anger better, how to let go of situations that may have been upsetting in the moment but were insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure all of that stuff played a role in the Bills being comfortable enough to sign him. I also think one of the reasons the Bills felt good about signing him was because of two guys on the team named Eric Wood and Kyle Williams. Wood has said he and Incognito became friends pretty much from day one when Richie came in. It's possible that Wood really helped keep the guy in line and now that he no longer has the locker room environment to be in and is presently unemployed and not playing the sport he's spent his entire life playing, it's probably making things tough on him mentally. Still, you hope that he has the wherewithal to stop and realize how far he's come and catch himself before he does something lame like throw a dumbbell at someone.

I generally pick up the draft hat each year but last year's hat was pretty boring and this year's hats just aren't for me. If you think the design on these ones are bad, phew, I used to work with a guy who had a friend that worked at New Era and every so often he would get "proofs" which are hats that were made and then one of several designs gets chosen to go into a full production run. The hats that don't get picked, I don't know if they become free game for employees but this guy would come up with a handful of (usually) Sabres hats and some of the designs on those things, gah. But then on the flipside, there were some that I saw with great designs that you wish they would've picked for the full run.

I do hope they give him some serious consideration. Talent-wise, he seems like a great fit for this defense. I'm not sure what kind of locker room guy he is and obviously that's important to McBeane. I've never seen anything negative about him in the news but that doesn't mean he's a good match for the type of locker room McDermott is trying to maintain. We shall see what happens.