Logic

"It's hard to win in this league. We'll learn from this game and be better for it".

Thanks. That makes sense to me. For what it's worth, it seemed like a lot of Davis' best moments in 2020 and 2021 came from the slot, too. It seems like both Diggs AND Davis could benefit from more time inside. Adding a legitimate and explosive outside option seems like a part of that, but I'd also like to see Dorsey be more creative in his usage of the receivers, as well.

BADOL: I'm curious to know how you feel about Hunter Renfrow, were he to become available in a trade.

This was in response to the title of a different thread, which got merged into your existing thread.

Fair enough. I was just busting balls. In response to your post: Yeah, it irks me. The Dolphins, later in the season, seemed to be "figured out", and were not producing much on offense. Then they came to Buffalo, and suddenly they were dynamic again. Yes, the Bills won that game, but still. The games immediately before and after the Bills game, the Dolphins were limp on offense. Against us? Gangbusters. The Bengals were very effectively limited on offense by the Ravens in the playoffs. Then they played the Bills -- and with a seriously depleted o-line, no less -- and looked completely unstoppable. Then they faced the Chiefs and, sure enough, multiple sacks, only 20 points produced. Why do teams look stoppable on offense immediately before and after playing the Bills? Why don't the Bills copy what works against these teams on defense, as shown by other teams who played them previously? Why are the Bills so stubborn defensively? Why doesn't a team coached by two undeniably high quality defensive minds in Leslie Frazier an Sean McDermott have more creativity and adaptability on defense? Why do they look great in the regular season and then below average against good offenses in the postseason? If the Bills are going to give up 30+ against the Bengals and Chiefs in the playoffs every year, why bother continuing to have a defensive specialist as a head coach? Why not just find the next young offensive genius and lean into offense? It's all very infuriating and puzzling, and it's a very valid line of inquiry. I don't have any answers. I'm just venting.

IF they could find a good package in return for him? Yes. Do I think they could find a good package in return for him? Not likely. The funny thing about Oliver is that he seems to be exactly what he was in college. He was a great run defender at Houston, but not a very productive pass rusher, at least on the stat sheet. Because of his athleticism and his (arguable) mis-use at Houston, many (including myself) projected that he'd be a much better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college. Lo and behold, four seasons in, he's pretty much still what he was at Houston: He's a plus run defender with spurts of impressive pass rush play, but not much notable statistical production. He's a good to slightly above average player, but not a difference maker. Not a game wrecker. Not a Chris Jones or a Quinnen Williams. One need only watch the Bengals game to come to some tough conclusions about Oliver. If ever there was a game for him to take over... As such, I don't have any reason to want the Bills to commit a big long term contract to him. If you can find a taker who will offer decent value, do it. I saw the question on Twitter today: If the Raiders offered Hunter Renfrow straight up for Ed Oliver, would you do it? My answer, I think, is yes.

So you typed out that whole thread title... but when it came to the word "for", those two extra keystrokes were too much, eh?

Are you asking which Bills would be good enough to be on our hypothetical "All League" team? Or are you asking what our "All League" team would look like? I'm bored at work, so I'll bite. QB: Patrick Mahomes HB: Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry FB: Kyle Juszczyk WR: JaMarr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Devante Adams TE: Travis Kelce, Mark Andrews, Kyle Pitts Edge: Myles Garrett, Maxx Crosby, TJ Watt, Nick Bosa DT: Aaron Donald, Chris Jones, Dexter Lawrence, Quinnen Williams OLB: Micah Parsons, Matt Milano ILB: Fred Warner, Roquan Smith CB: Jaire Alexander, Sauce Gardner, Patrick Surtain II, Tre'Davious White S: Derwin James, Jordan Poyer, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Antoine Winfield Jr. So Diggs, Milano, Poyer, and White would make my roster. I don't feel that the inclusion of Diggs or Milano is very disputable. People could pick nits with Poyer and White and have an argument.

I went down to the OTB and put a sawbuck on the Washington Generals +10 for that game. I've got a good feeling.

I've said before that I don't believe in giving out second contracts to running backs unless they're either elite game changers (Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook) or big pieces of the passing offense (CMC, Kamara). That said, as much as I like Singletary, I'm letting him walk. If the Bills had oodles of cap space, then sure, re-sign him to a team friendly deal if he's willing. The free agent running back class this year is loaded, so maybe he doesn't get many big offers and signs back here for peanuts. But since the Bills DON'T have oodles of cap space and have bigger needs elsewhere and just spent a 2nd round pick on a running back, I'm saying "so long and thanks for the memories" to Motor. Cook/Hines is a versatile and speedy duo. Draft a late round guy or bring in a few UDFAs to compete for the third running back spot. Perhaps someone with a little more size and pop in his pads, since Cook and Hines are both on the smaller side.

My story mirrors yours, except with Pearl Jam. Grew up listening to The Beatles, Elvis, Neil Young, and the Who. Lost my Dad at age 13. Overtaken with grief. Pulled my hood up, put my headphones on, and retreated into my own little world. Just about that time, I discovered Pearl Jam, and like you say, it was the first music that was MINE. And Eddie lost his Dad around the same age, and his music...really A LOT of the music of that era...was speaking directly to me. It was like it was written for me specifically. While I was lost in Pearl Jam land, my brother Joe was a monstrous Nirvana fan. He grew his hair out like Kurt, dressed like him, formed a Nirvana cover band called "Sliver". He bought all the b-sides and imports and magazines and VHS's from those old record stores in the malls. Through him, I wound up hearing and learning by heart just about every Nirvana tune. I don't listen as much to them these days, with the exception of Unplugged in NY, because my musical tastes have mellowed out a bit over the years. Kurt was such a sweet, vulnerable, gentle soul. Heavier Than Heaven is possibly the best biography I've ever read, and I love biographies. It IS, well...heavy, though. I can't recommend it highly enough.

The feeling of thumbing through the selection at a record store and coming across a rare import or b-side that you've never seen before. Ringing it up, taking it home, inspecting the packaging and liner notes like you're looking for a hidden treasure map while you listen on repeat. Man, I miss that.

When I think about what Kurt Cobain might have gone on to do musically if he had lived, it makes me really sad. Unplugged in NY is a masterpiece. I still listen to that album regularly. I listen to it the most of any Nirvana album, in fact. It's just amazing, and showed this whole new side of Kurt and direction that the music could take. The fact that we never got to see/hear where it could lead is just heartbreaking. "Heavier Than Heaven", the in-depth biography of Cobain by Charles R Cross, remains the only time ever in my life that I finished the last page of a book and just started bawling. Dave Grohl is still my favorite drummer of all time, and the fact that he plays guitar for a living now is crazy to me. It would be like Hendrix deciding to play drums for the balance of his career. I get WHY Grohl stepped away from drums (he said in his book that it's basically just too emotionally painful), but still... Part of me thinks Kurt HAD to die early, in the same way that Morrison and Hendrix and Joplin had to die early. There's a way in which that kind of early death freezes the musician in this idyllic, mythologized state. Maybe if any of them had lived to old age, they would have made awful music and become sad, fat caricatures. I don't know.

Taking my personal bias out of it, I would probably say: Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Red Hot Chili Peppers Can't make a 90s rock Mt Rushmore without Nirvana. You just can't. Pearl Jam had the longevity and were the last men standing from the grunge boom. Green Day aren't necessarily my personal cup of tea, but it's hard to argue against their longevity and mainstream success. Plus, they represent the 90s punk/"pop punk" section of the market. The Chili Peppers...again, they had INCREDIBLE mainstream success and appeal, made a bunch of hits and really catchy tunes, and they sort of cover the rap/rock/funk crossover corner of rock. I feel confident saying that you could present 90s rock music to someone who had never heard it before using just the music of the four above bands, and it would be a pretty good and thorough representation.

I don't disagree with your point. I wish they WOULD take more from other defenses. I wish they would be more adaptable. I wish they'd be as good in the playoffs as they are in the regular season. Still, I stand by my statement. Saying that the Bills defense is going to suddenly stink after last year...I don't buy it.

Meh. It's too early to say this, IMO. What if Greg Rousseau takes another step and becomes a double digit sack guy next year? What if the Bills re-sign Tremaine Edmunds? What if Kaiir Elam breaks out and becomes a shutdown corner? What if the coaches move Christian Benford to safety and he looks really good there? What if the Bills draft a defensive tackle in round 3 and he winds up being a really productive rotational pass-rusher? Tremaine Edmunds is 24. Taron Johnson is 26. Greg Rousseau is 22. Kaiir Elam is 21. Matt Milano is 28. Tre'Davious White is 28. Taron Johnson is 26. Christian Benford is 22. The Bills finished as a top 3 scoring defense in three out of the past four seasons. Yes, I know the defense has been unimpressive in the playoffs the past few seasons. But no, that doesn't mean we can just pretend that they're not typically a top five defense all season long. I'm salty about the way the season ended, too. I'm concerned about the fact that the defense doesn't look the same in the playoffs as it does in the regular season, too. I want to see some tweaks to playcalling going forward, too. But to say, as more and more seem to be doing on this forum, that the Bills defense is bad or "only has one year left" is, in my opinion, erroneous.

Bryant Johnson Watch '08 was a favorite BBMB memory of mine.

oh, mykidsdad.

I was there. Goganious, then Logic. Toward the end, it got really out of hand. Still, my hands can still type "boards.buffalobills.com" into the URL box incredibly quickly. I spent farrrrrr too many hours on that forum. Then there was the "but" forum.

Nate Hackett stunk as Bills OC and has stunk ever since. The Jets hiring him is my favorite thing of the offseason so far.

This line pretty much sums up. So correct that I felt the need to re-post it here instead of trying to add anything.

Your lips to God's ears. Two speedy, shifty running backs, and an offensive line who, for all their faults, are all very athletic and can move in space....and yet? No screen game. The Bills haven't had a good, consistent screen game in YEARS. I last remember seeing quality running back screens under Chan Gailey. That's ridiculous.

Yeah, I saw that All-22 angle where Knox is definitely open and with room to run. My meme is just poking fun. I agree that the play was there to be made and Josh didn't make it. And don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not absolving Josh of his contributions to the maddening offensive decisions throughout the season. There were many times this season where there were options open underneath for 1st downs and Josh instead went big play hunting. He definitely seemed to regress a bit this year with regard to situational awareness and taking what the defense gave him. Any offensive failures this season were NOT all on Dorsey, and Allen should be held accountable, too, as should the o-line, as should the receivers, etc, etc... Nevertheless, my point in the OP still stands. Dorsey could and should have done more to make use of his talented and underused offensive weapons, Hines and Cook chief among them.