oldmanfan

Here is a more nuanced take. For the 40 times to be directly relevant on the field both the WR and defender would have to be starting from the same starting point. CBS don’t unless they play press. You also would have to factor in any help from a safety over the top. And so on. I suspect there are relatively few throws in the league in any given year where it is a straight fly pattern on a guy being covered one on one.

God forbid we look at actual data I agree with your points

Someone indicated above he had the best gauntlet drill time and second best top speed. Again that’s an N of 1. But it suggests speed in other testing modalities. How many total passes of over 40 yards were thrown by Josh last year? Or in the league? I can’t find that data.

I checked my math twice thanks.

Thanks. This is the kind of data I’d be looking at if I was drafting.

Another thing scientists (I am one) is you never base conclusions on a sample size of 1. One 40 yard run at the combine is not enough data to conclude anything.

So there are a certain number of folks here who are wailing and gnashing teeth over Coleman because he’s not fast. That we don’t place emphasis on speed. So let’s do some math and compare a supposed fast time (4.2) with the supposed slow time of 4.6, which if memory serves correct is Coleman. The formula is simple: 40 yards/time gives you how many yards per second. For 4.2: 40/4.2= 9.5 yards/sec For 4.6: 40/4.6 = 8.7 yards/sec So if you have a guy running 40 yards downfield they’d gain about 3 yards. At 4.2 vs 4.6. Seems like a significant difference although I haven’t run stats. But I also don’t consider other variables like time to accelerate to maximum speed, effect of equipment on times, and such. For me I’d be looking not just for speed, but how fast you get to top speed, how long you can maintain top speed, arm length (longer arms may negate the gap based purely on speed), quickness in getting in and out of breaks. And likely more if I gave it more thought. This is why Marcel St. Jacques wrote an article for espn.com indicating the 40 time isn’t very useful anymore. So this kid may not be a sprinter, but he’s quite the athlete (all state basketball), young still, will have height advantages over many corners. I’m intrigued to see what he and other drafted guys bring to the table.

I’m tired of reading about 40 yard dash stuff. Jerry Rice would have dropped based on that. Coleman is fluid from what I’m reading and can win contested catches. Let the kid play.

As the combine has grown into one of the NFL's most marketed offseason events over the past two decades, the 40-yard dash has provided a stage to showcase athletic evolution, with each crop of the league's newcomers coming in bigger and faster than ever. All of this is remarkable, considering the drill has all but lost its utility to front office personnel and data analysts around the league in the modern era. The 40 is no longer the most effective way to determine a player's speed. The value it once had to teams has diminished in its 80-year existence, as clubs turn toward other means -- such as GPS tracking and analytical data -- to fully understand how fast a player can move in football specific situations. The above from an article by Marcel Louis-Jacques on espn.com. Can we please stop with the speed stuff? Beane and McD wanted explosive and one of Coleman’s tests is very favorable there if you want to rely on those tests. Bishop apparently has that trait when playing in the box. The DT from round 3 apparently has that trait. The Edge kid from Troy.

I define holes as lacking guys as starters. We don’t have holes from that perspective. Every team is always looking to add or improve depth.

Oh come on. Diggs is getting older and fell off last year. He will at best be the Texans #2 this year (good luck with that CJ). If you don’t mind. , I’d like to see what happens before making sweeping pronouncements.

First, I appreciate the time and the work you put in. But you have no way to know if Samuel is a downgrade. Diggs performance fell off the second half of last year, roughly corresponding to the switch in OC. Brady’s offense appears to be more focused on spreading the ball around.

I think a CB and a bigger RB are givens.

Solid picks at WE and S. Why don’t you just run along now?

I’ll take these in order: WR: They traded a guy on the north side of 30 who did not play that well the last half of last season. That corresponded to the new OC taking over. So we lost Diggs but until the draft is over we don’t know if we downgraded. S: lost two older guys that had lost a step and replaced with younger guys in Rapp and Edwards O line: lost Morse, good run block but was having trouble with rushing DTs. Added depth with Collins. No problem here. Edge: lost one guy in Floyd who slowed down a lot the last half of the year Biggest star on defense: Milano we will see, but ignoring guys like Oliver and Bernard and Douglas is ridiculous So are we better? Impossible to know until the draft is done, camp is done, and games are played. I assumed then and do now that Josh was consulted about Diggs and he wanted him gone, that he was tired of the nonsense.

I suspect they had about a half dozen WRs with similar grades so they knew they could move back, stockpile some more picks, and get one.

Beane said he didn’t have 32 guys with first round ratings. So he moved back and got more picks. Simple. And Worthy was apparently one of those guys.

Thought we’d move up for him. Could be DeJean

No defense selected. Such is the league now, all offense.

Anybody just hear a gigantic scream of frustration from down South?

Just north of Indy. Will make my own weck rolls and get some really good beef.

I think he’s had conversations about moving into the top 10 to get a guy like Harrison, but didn’t like what he heard. I still think he’ll move up somewhere in round 1 to get a guy he really likes, whether it’s a WR or not we’ll see. To me a first round pick should go to someone you think has All-Pro potential, and if that’s at a position other than WR so be it.

Why pose it as a question of such extremes?

Jim Plunkett.

At the turn of the century there was a list of the thousand most important people of the millennium. The top of the list was Gutenberg because of the printing press. I vote for that because the printing press allowed for the widespread sharing and application of knowledge.