oldmanfan

Excuse me. The audits showing no fraud are hard data. You can’t seriously claim that audits are somehow soft data. I quoted you the section. Read it. You’re the one crowing about reading the bill. Apparently you haven’t.

No, sorry. You keep talking about reading the bill, then read it. I just did. I suspect more blacks will vote, because they will be so pissed that Stacy Abrams and her allies will make sure they get folks to the polls as they did this past year. But that doesn’t matter. What matters is that the legislators of one party reacted to their losses by deliberately coming up with a law to potentially disenfranchise those of the opposition. I would feel the same if the parties were the opposite. My horse in this race is to ensure that the franchise is protected.

Section 26, sub part c.1. Talks about drop boxes. Go read it. This will significantly decrease the number in Fulton county as an example. And yes, because there has been no election in the 3 months since the Georgia run off, it is all hypothetical. Duh.

The Georgia vote was audited multiple times and no fraud issues were found. None. That is the data. Same C with the Senate race where both Republicans lost. What did the Republican governor and legislature do? Initiated the laws that we have now discussed ad nauseum. You are familiar with the concept of stimulus-response? Here you go. You can’t be that naive.

IMAGES Will there be fewer drop boxes? Drop boxes allow voters to submit their ballots early into locked containers, rather than relying on sending them in via post or standing in long lines on election day. Democrats say the new law reduces the number of these boxes, making it harder to vote. There will be fewer in forthcoming elections, but this needs to be put in context. Prior to the 2020 election, drop boxes weren't used in Georgia. They were brought in as part of emergency Covid action. The new law does significantly reduce the number of drop boxes from the 2020 level. For example, Fulton County says it will go down from 38 to eight drop boxes. As for your definition of racism, who gives a damn what your definition is?

I’m sorry but you are absolutely wrong about being able to throw out legally cast ballots. The state legislature in Georgia can take over control of elections from counties if they feel there is something questionable in that county. They have taken away responsibility of elections from the Secretary of State. Ask yourself why. You can’t be that naive.

This is how science works. New studies lead to new data leads to new theories.

To answer your question in the last paragraph, yes. The data set is in the number of audits performed by the states, none of which found fraud. In the review by the DOJ, which did not find fraud. In the over 60 court cases brought which did not find fraud. For the Georgia law specifically, three separate audits were conducted of I believe Gwinnett county and all of the found no fraud. If you want to claim fraud, you have the burden of proof. There was no evidence of such. Where is the data to show fraud?

It is racist because it targets districts with a higher percentage of black voters. The number of drop boxes in counties such as Gwinnett have been lowered. The Republican legislature can decide a county’s vote is questionable and throw out legally cast votes should they choose; that will potentially affect Democratic counties which have higher populations of black voters. It will be harder for those of color to get proper IDs. The vote in 2020 was not improper. You need to step back and accept that as reality. Republican candidates lost the Presidential vote as well as both Senate seats in Georgia, the state officials and audits all confirm that, and as a result all these changes to the law took place. The claim that it is to improve election security is based on a lie by Trump, which is being supported by state Republican legislators to n a number of states because they are afraid of Trump for some bizarre reason. That is the political reality. Wake up and ask yourself: if the election laws were so bad in Georgia, why did the arepublican governor and legislature wait to change them till after this election? The answer a nor fraud, it is politics.

There was no problem with the 2020 election. The DOJ, the courts, state audits, and such all confirm that. That is what I base my premise on. Intelligent people look at actual data and that is what the data tell us. You keep claiming there were problems with the election, that there was fraud, when there were not; the only reason to think that is because of the lie that Trump promulgated. You claim there was fraud with absolutely no evidence of such, and because of that the only logical conclusion to be drawn is you believe the lie. Show me your data, not just conjecture but actual data to back up your claim of fraud that could have affected the outcome, because those who looked into it (Georgia did three separate audits as an example) found nothing to support your accusation. Was there maybe a few fraudulent votes? Perhaps. But historically the percentage of fraudulent votes is like 0.00001%. I keep telling you that you can’t just say 2+2=5 just because you feel like that’s true. That is what you are doing here.

Quit trying to deal in absolutes. Because the law isn’t the same as the first Jim Crow laws they aren’t Jim Crow laws. Now this. Rural voters in Georgia don’t have to stand in lines for hours, nor will their votes be potentially overturned by the legislature. Why? Because they vote Republican. They are not my people. I am Independent. You know that. But as an independent I am appalled at legislation that actively tries to disenfranchise anyone. I do not recall Democrats doing such. I do recall the stealing of votes by the Daley machine. That was wrong.

You support the law. The law makes it harder for some to vote. The only reason the law was written was because Trump trumped up false charges about fraud, which I have not seen you acknowledge. Where have I lied?

I have stated that I am for an ID that all citizens can access equally. And the right to vote is paramount to our country, even more than many enumerated in the first and second amendments. Without the right to vote we don’t have a democratic republic at all.

I am sorry you cannot recognize obvious facts and that you choose to be so naive on this issue. We agree on many things. Not on this. And as for earlier complaints by Democrats, tell me when Clinton conceded the 2016 election.

Bull crap yet again. The election results were audited by the states, the DOJ indicated there was no fraud, the courts ruled in dozens of cases that there was no fraud. Trump’s own trumped up committee to investigate supposed fraud in the 2016 election was quietly disbanded when they found nothing. But because one man has such apparent power over you and others you continue to puns thus illegal voting nonsense. Why is it so many cannot apparently think for themselves? Why is it so many are held in the thrall of a con man who lost the Republican Party the presidency and both houses of Congress? Why?

Bull crap. I and others have repeatedly indicated the data by which the Georgia law will adversely affect the black community. No, they are not the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear because thankfully those have been outlawed. Oh, and when it comes to data, the data that is relevant is the data that says the Georgia law and others like it and based on a fantasy. There is no data to suggest that there was fraud in the 2020 election. None. Zero. Nada. These laws are being passed because Trump had a hissy fit about losing and claimed fraud before any votes were even counted, and Republicans didn’t and still don’t have the spine to tell him to shut up.

Then what the hell are you arguing about?

All of the accusations you’ve made were examined and found to be invalid. 2+2=4. You want it to equal 5 because you refuse to accept that there is no data to indicate the election was fraudulent.

One can only hope

I have done this several times as have others. You refuse to believe it because your head is up Trump’s behind. You are incapable apparently of separating your thoughts from that of a con man who cried fraud weeks before the election because his ego would not accept losing. And because of that the craven Republicans in state legislatures scared of him made up laws to fix a non-existent problem, laws that place a greater burden on a certain more Democratic leaning population. You and others when presented with 2+2=4 insist it equals 5 because Trump waits so are to be pitied. You should have more self-respect. I actually hope the Republicans place their trust and hope in a guy that lost the White House and both houses of Congress. When they get beat like a drum again it will hasten the reclamation of the Republican Party by actual Republicans who will espouse policies I oftentimes support. No more posts to you from me on this subject. Speaking to a brick wall does not interest me.

Those were extreme actions which people today are smart enough to not emulate. They do so in subtler fashion such as have been described to you numerous times. Your refusal to get out of Trump’s backside is the issue here.

You have no understanding of statistical methods not of audits. Georgia did just what you ask. And audits do not mean you recheck every single vote, you take a representative sample. You don’t want to believe anything associated with government. You want anarchy.

I expect a big tub of goo to be drafted

Yes we do know for sure. Because the people entrusted with running elections made sure it was so. Your refusal to believe anything is your problem, not an electoral problem. The elections swung late because mail in ballots from heavily Democratic areas got counted later and in at least one state (Pa) because the Republican legislature wanted it so.

Our election this past year was the most secure in history according to those who watch over such things, in addition to the courts, DOJ and everyone else I have already listed for you. Yet you want to use confusion in one primary election in one district to somehow indict an entire system. Because you are a lackey for Trump, and he put it in your head way before the election that if he lost there must be fraud. Because he knew he’d lose and his ego refused to accept it. Think for yourself instead of having an NYC con man do it for you. 2+2=4, not 5. And 100k did not happen. There is absolutely no proof of fraud and because your guy lost you refuse to accept reality. Reality is 2+2=4. Trump wants you to believe it’s 5, and you want to buy into it. Use your head.