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I’m not turning on him. I am just really disappointed in him and the others who are taking the anti-vaccination stance. Because they are believing the political nonsense thrown around about the vaccine, and vaccines in general, instead of looking at the actual facts. Here are facts which are getting completely and willfully ignored, and oftentimes deliberately lied about: 1. Although the vaccines have EUA, that does not mean they have not been studied. To get EUA the vaccines went through Phase 3 trials with tens of thousands of patients, and those trials showed high effectiveness and limited and non-serious side effects. Since EUA tens of millions have been vaccinated and again with high effectiveness and limited side effects. The two notable ones, blood clots with J&J and the myocarditis are extremely rare, and were found out about precisely because of the thorough follow up of all being vaccinated. I sit on an FDA advisory panel in another area; these panels are serious as a heart attack about data. And the mRNA vaccines have been now submitted for full FDA approval. 2. People throw out crap about experimental gene therapy, long term effects because of vaccine additives, etc. All nonsense. Messenger RNA does not alter your genes; that is your DNA and the mRNA has no effect on that. The vaccines are either just mRNA with salts and some fat molecules to help absorption, or with J and J an altered cold virus. There are no heavy metals, chips, etc. They do not magnetize you. They don’t do anything other than help save our life. And as far as long term effects, mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades, plus historically any adverse reactions to vaccines long term are extremely rare, and are caught usually within weeks. If we were going to see severe complications we would have seen them by now. Hapless nailed this. Throughout our history the country has banded together and helped each other in times of national crisis. But because of the idiotic political climate around this we have not done so for Covid. I want Cole and any other players to get his vaccination because, as a fan, I’m selfish. This is a team with a real shot at winning it all, and to potentially throw that away because of misplaced opinions pisses me off. But as a scientist, and member of the human race, I want him to get it because I care for him and all the other non-vaccinated folks out there. I don’t want to see them die or face a lifetime of complications when it could have been avoided. The vaccines are not killing people.

Someone sit him down, go over the actual data and science and not the crap idiots post on social media, and I think he’d get vaccinated. Best team we’ve had in years, a real Lombardi contender, and the team is going to get ruined by political horse crap.

I understand the history. It is foolish to not get this vaccine.

Just to point out some fallacies here, even though I've been trying to stay away from this side of the board due to the nut cases around here: 1. It is not gene therapy. The mRNA vaccines and the J&J do not alter your DNA at all. Your DNA is the source of your genes, not your mRNA. the mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell where the DNA resides. That is simple biologic fact. 2. The risk, if any, with these vaccines is extraordinarily minimal. The only two of record are the increase in blood clots with the J and J (about 7 per million - very low), and the incidence of myocarditis seen first in young men in Israel with the mRNA, almost all of which resolve quickly without medial intervention and likely related to the initial immune response. Historically vaccine risks are very rare and normally occur within weeks, not years down the road. 3. The claim that more people have died from vaccines is wrong. It is based on the VAERS data base which lists deaths from any cause after being vaccinated. These claims are followed up on by the CDC and the FDA and the vast majority of them are due to other causes than the vaccine. 4. The claim that only half of workers at the CDC have been vaccinate is misleading. See the following: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/30/fact-check-fauci-didnt-say-cdc-fda-staff-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/7474372002/ I'm glad you got your vaccination. And it is truly vaccination, to head off another popular fallacy that gets spread way too often. The Pfizer and Moderna should receive formal FDA approval any day; they have been given to millions of patients now, they have shown tremendous effectiveness and as pointed out above minimal side effects. Once they are approved, the fools that would rather die than get vaccinated will need to find another excuse.

The debate in this country needs to be about the role of the federal government. Decide on that, then you know how much money you need to run it, then you set a tax rate that pays for it. I am very fiscally conservative. Get rid of half the cabinet departments to start, then focus the federal government on things only the federal government can do (infrastruture, defense, etc.). Get rid of all loopholes in the tax structure, have a set corporation tax, and a flat tax for personal income.

I am proud to say that I helped carry the goalpost to Ralph’s box. And yes alcohol was involved.

China too. Time for our country to defend itself.

President Biden needs to walk into the room with Putin this coming week, tell him that Russia and the hackers Putin supports are a clear and present danger to the United States, and declare war. Putin and his men could destroy the economic underpinnings of our society. Enough is enough.

Rest assured that if a key player winds up missing games because of not getting vaccinated, it will become an issue on the Bills or any other team.

Peter King suggests in his column this morning that the vaccine issue is a particular concern in Buffalo.

I get your point.

In theory I would say that questions should not be repetitious regardless of topic. It’s what drove me nuts about Sullivan. But given the critical nature of the pandemic and how vaccination status could affect the team I think it’s a cop out for Poyer to say he refuses to discuss it.

You’re right in that controversy can be bad for the team. What can be worse for the team is a key player or players missing games due to Covid. And since there is a way to avoid that via vaccination, it is certainly reasonable to ask key players on the team about why they would not take advantage of that option.

1. Wawrow is not a hack. He is an experienced, good writer and journalist. 2. Vaccinations are in fact a story. If you don’t think they are now, they will be if and when a non-vaccinated player winds up getting Covid. And because a player is making an active choice to exhibit behavior that could sideline him and potentially other contacts on the team, it’s relevant.

How is it scary?

Never look at this site and for good reason

I am not hyper focused on race. I willfully admit that I am particularly sensitive to the Asian American issue because of my daughter. I am focused on people getting along in this country. I am focused on people - regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, whatever- getting the same rights and respect as anyone else.

I don’t agree with critical race theory. I do agree that diversity and inclusion are good things. You want to conflate the two. They are not the same thing. So the priest, a man of God, calling humans maggots and parasites is right and I’m wrong. My mirror looks fine. Look in your own and ask when your common decency was sucked out of your soul. Cancel culture is a load of crap because the right pretends they’re offended when in fact they do the same dammed thing. The priest is a small part of it. It was the number of people that supported his position and the vile stuff they espoused that shows racism is alive and well in central Indiana.

Yes, we don’t have lynchings anymore so I guess we’ve made some progress. It is not an either or, 100% vs. 0%, thing. Progress has been made, more work needs to be done. Here’s one example of how I know we have a ways to go, at least in my community: After the George Floyd murder (which it was since he was convicted for such), we had the protests and such (and as you know, I did not approve of violence). And a local leader in my town in his weekly newsletter wrote that protestors (not just those who were violent) were maggots and parasites. Maggots and parasites. He called human beings among us maggots and parasites. And that MLK would not have walked in protest of the recent incidents against blacks. Now, you know who this local leader was? A priest. That’s right, a priest in one of the local Catholic Churches. And do I really have to tell you how many people came out in support of this guy? And that instead of him being drummed out of the priesthood he was just transferred to another parish after his perfunctory apology? You can’t fix problems unless you are willing to recognize there is a problem.

I live in Indiana and racism is alive and well here unfortunately. Better that 50 years ago I presume, but still here. Wish I could say different. I don’t think you can take the situation you see in California and from that extrapolate to say that is such across the country.

I have read extensively on it.

I think kids such as yours and mine give us hope that things will change. I have given up on my generation. And no, I am not being manipulated and I suspect you know that. There is a big controversy in my community right now because the school district hired a diversity, equity and inclusion coordinator. People are up in arms about it being CRT, when the district has explicitly stated they are not and will not teach CRT. I disagree with the concept of CRT but for the life of me cannot understand how promoting inclusion and acceptance of all regardless of defining characteristics such as skin color, economic status, gender identity and such can be thought of as negative.

This is reprehensible. Political extremism is going to destroy this country My daughter is Chinese by birth. While some of what you say here is well reasoned, she would point a few things out to you based on your thoughts. When you say “they” you are lumping all those of Asian heritage into the same category. They are not; Chinese culture is much different than Japanese and such. Not all those of Asian descent excel in standardized tests. And so on.

Sorry you don’t like being challenged on the whataboutism, but that form of argument is used far too often around here in my opinion. I do agree with the issue being larger and involving power and such. But when it comes to race, the original stain of slavery will always make the issue of race different, because unfortunately there are some in our country who to this day see nothing wrong with that concept. Sad but true. You and I could have a lot of positive influence in this country when we take office in 2024.

The whataboutism argument never flies. My response is simple: teach about ALL of the parts of history where people were treated horribly. The more light that is shined on this crap the better the chance to make meaningful change. And sorry, but recent events such as Asian Americans being beat up for no reason or George Floyd and such shine a light on specific groups whether you like it or not. When someone starts picking on the Irish or Italians again then a light will shine on how those immigrants were poorly treated when they came to the country. People in this country will be treated equally when all prejudice is eliminated. An ideal that may never be reached but a good one to strive towards.