oldmanfan

No. Wrong. Let’s say you’re a 70 year old individual with mild COPD that is being managed successfully. Or a Type 2 diabetic being managed with meds and diet/exercise. But then they get Covid, a virus that attacks the lining of their lungs as well as causing pathological changes in blood vessels. Now the pre-existing conditions you have are no longer able to be managed. Gas exchange in your lungs is severely affected, you start to develop blood clots. And the damage becomes so severe you die. Now the Covid did not cause your mild COPD or diabetes, but it killed you. Before vaccines it sure as hell killed you.

I got it that winter despite being vaccinated. If I recall the vaccine wasn’t as effective against that year’s strain. Regardless that was as sick as I’ve ever been. Only time in my life I ever collapsed.

Looking at the CDC data there was about 31k deaths in the US in 2016-17. It did jump to around 61k in 2018-19 in a year where the vaccine was not as effective. I can’t find any year in the last decade where there were 90k deaths in a year.

Yes, they were outside. There is a dispute between the health department and the Phillipin President over wearing shields outside. That information is in the articles I read. The ones you apparently did not. So the Secretary representing our country apparently went with the advice of the consulate and wore face protection. Trying to avoid causing a conflict with an ally in the region. But that’s wrong of course.

I posted an article from June of 2021 with the President of the Philippines saying shields will still be mandatory. The US consulate has it in their materials. A number of press agencies have pointed this out. But they’re all wrong and you’re right. Sure.

Eichel is poisonous. Adams and Granato are following the playbook of McDermott and Beane. Set a philosophy, get players in who want to make hockey their priority, and get rid of guys who don’t buy in. So Eichel and his agents can sit and beeyatch all they want. Adams is doing just fine with this.

How does the Secretary of Defense doing what he did have a goddamned thing to do with me supposedly living in fear? I am vaccinated and don’t wear a mask now because of the CDC recommendations. I might in crowded areas based on their newer recommendation.

No he’s not. Apparently the requirements for the shields are indoors. So are you now saying you would have been fine if the Secretary wore a mask and not a shield? For those saying he projected fear, that’s just ridiculous.

Face shields to help prevent ‘disaster for our nation’: Duterte By Azer Parrocha June 22, 2021, 12:57 am Here’s an article from the Philippine press from last month about it. I completely agree shields are over the top but apparently that is what is going on there. So the questions I’d ask you are: 1. Given this does it make sense for the representative of our country to wear one? 2. If the Secretary had not followed policies of the country where he was visiting, do you think that would have sent a positive or negative message to an ally in the region?

If this is the picture from the Phillipines their government requires protections such as this. Respecting the rules of the country you’re visiting as SecDef is OK. Another potential example of blindly posting things with no understanding of context. First , this is what I posted in response to the picture of Secretary Austin. As you can see, the word ignorant is not used anywhere. So you don’t know what you’re talking about there. Second, there are a number of sources including the US Embassy in the Phillipines who have indicated the Health Department there requires masks and shields, and that there is confusion over it because Duarte is wanting policies changed. You can look that information up as easily as I did. I have no problem with our Secretary of Defense following recommendations from the embassy in the country he is visiting, which is apparently what happened here. Then what was? This started with BMan yet again blindly posting something he gets from some far right website without understanding. The Secretary apparently followed policies of the host country.

I looked up articles on Philippine regulations which indicated a requirement. Try again. I read it as our SecDef recognizing the Phillipine government is very sensitive to Covid regulations.

I looked at the American Association of Pediatrics website; they have a document on state rates of infection which I tried to copy here but it wouldn’t load from my phone for some reason. The data as I read it indicates higher infection rates in children over the past month or two. Whether that is going to translate to higher morbidity and mortality rates we’ll have to see. Let’s hope not.

My reading says the Phillipines requires face coverings. I would rather the representatives of our government respect the rules of the country they visit vs. not, even if it seems like overkill. I think the Phillipines should not require such extremes for vaccinated people.

I believe the American Academy of Pediatrics supports my contention. I also have heard physicians interviewed who indicate they have a higher number of younger people being hospitalized. You are correct that it is a higher percentage. The data as I understand it is that the delta variant is more infectious, and given that children under 12 are not able to be vaccinated yet the math would indicate the percentage of children infected rises, as you suggest. I would disagree with that not meaning the whole number would change. What we can all hope is that, while the delta variant seems to be more infectious, it may not have as serious effects on infected individuals. We’ll have to see how that shakes out.

https://www.rappler.com/nation/review-sought-mandatory-wearing-face-shields-philippines Is this article incorrect?

If this is the picture from the Phillipines their government requires protections such as this. Respecting the rules of the country you’re visiting as SecDef is OK. Another potential example of blindly posting things with no understanding of context.

Absolutely not

I said above open things up. Let companies and places of business mandate vaccinations. Let the stupid people get it. They did, they die.

Of course you won’t.

I hope he stays well. The delta variant seems to be hitting younger people harder. I would be making sure the day car workers are vaccinated. I’d check on ventilation and such. Losing a year of in person school was tough, but from what I’ve seen kids were more resilient over it than adults. Oh Trump didn’t lie? Woodward’s interview. So you’re the smart guy. What should Biden do? Should he mandate vaccines? Because you know what you’d say to that. Effing hypocrites.

As if I’m a Democrat. They own it, they have made vaccines available to everyone. It’s the idiots who won’t get it that are killing the country. How is that Biden’s fault? At least he didn’t knowingly lie to the American people about the pandemic like his predecessor.

What the hell are you talking about? I own this now? We all own this now. Wake the hell up.

Then you stop with the partisan crap. You do it all the time. Right now all sane people regardless of party or anything else that can separate folks should be in lockstep demanding people get vaccinated.

Yep and when kids get sick and die it kills me. But it’s on their parents at this point. The data is out there, the evidence in favor of vaccinations and such are out there. If I could, I would place kids in protective custody if there parents are so stupid hat they expose them. But that’s not how things work so unfortunately kids will die or have lifelong complications because their parents were so mind numbingly dumb. You don’t or you would not have wrote what you wrote. Facts matter. Words matter. I know the Trumpists had to spend 4 years always saying that’s not what he said or meant, but tough. I hope your 4 year old stays well through this. I hope you’re doing what needs to be done to help him or her do so.

They said they would not trust Trump if he said it worked, but that they’d trust the FDA and the scientists. Facts matter.