oldmanfan

In theory I would say that questions should not be repetitious regardless of topic. It’s what drove me nuts about Sullivan. But given the critical nature of the pandemic and how vaccination status could affect the team I think it’s a cop out for Poyer to say he refuses to discuss it.

You’re right in that controversy can be bad for the team. What can be worse for the team is a key player or players missing games due to Covid. And since there is a way to avoid that via vaccination, it is certainly reasonable to ask key players on the team about why they would not take advantage of that option.

1. Wawrow is not a hack. He is an experienced, good writer and journalist. 2. Vaccinations are in fact a story. If you don’t think they are now, they will be if and when a non-vaccinated player winds up getting Covid. And because a player is making an active choice to exhibit behavior that could sideline him and potentially other contacts on the team, it’s relevant.

How is it scary?

Never look at this site and for good reason

I am not hyper focused on race. I willfully admit that I am particularly sensitive to the Asian American issue because of my daughter. I am focused on people getting along in this country. I am focused on people - regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, whatever- getting the same rights and respect as anyone else.

I don’t agree with critical race theory. I do agree that diversity and inclusion are good things. You want to conflate the two. They are not the same thing. So the priest, a man of God, calling humans maggots and parasites is right and I’m wrong. My mirror looks fine. Look in your own and ask when your common decency was sucked out of your soul. Cancel culture is a load of crap because the right pretends they’re offended when in fact they do the same dammed thing. The priest is a small part of it. It was the number of people that supported his position and the vile stuff they espoused that shows racism is alive and well in central Indiana.

Yes, we don’t have lynchings anymore so I guess we’ve made some progress. It is not an either or, 100% vs. 0%, thing. Progress has been made, more work needs to be done. Here’s one example of how I know we have a ways to go, at least in my community: After the George Floyd murder (which it was since he was convicted for such), we had the protests and such (and as you know, I did not approve of violence). And a local leader in my town in his weekly newsletter wrote that protestors (not just those who were violent) were maggots and parasites. Maggots and parasites. He called human beings among us maggots and parasites. And that MLK would not have walked in protest of the recent incidents against blacks. Now, you know who this local leader was? A priest. That’s right, a priest in one of the local Catholic Churches. And do I really have to tell you how many people came out in support of this guy? And that instead of him being drummed out of the priesthood he was just transferred to another parish after his perfunctory apology? You can’t fix problems unless you are willing to recognize there is a problem.

I live in Indiana and racism is alive and well here unfortunately. Better that 50 years ago I presume, but still here. Wish I could say different. I don’t think you can take the situation you see in California and from that extrapolate to say that is such across the country.

I have read extensively on it.

I think kids such as yours and mine give us hope that things will change. I have given up on my generation. And no, I am not being manipulated and I suspect you know that. There is a big controversy in my community right now because the school district hired a diversity, equity and inclusion coordinator. People are up in arms about it being CRT, when the district has explicitly stated they are not and will not teach CRT. I disagree with the concept of CRT but for the life of me cannot understand how promoting inclusion and acceptance of all regardless of defining characteristics such as skin color, economic status, gender identity and such can be thought of as negative.

This is reprehensible. Political extremism is going to destroy this country My daughter is Chinese by birth. While some of what you say here is well reasoned, she would point a few things out to you based on your thoughts. When you say “they” you are lumping all those of Asian heritage into the same category. They are not; Chinese culture is much different than Japanese and such. Not all those of Asian descent excel in standardized tests. And so on.

Sorry you don’t like being challenged on the whataboutism, but that form of argument is used far too often around here in my opinion. I do agree with the issue being larger and involving power and such. But when it comes to race, the original stain of slavery will always make the issue of race different, because unfortunately there are some in our country who to this day see nothing wrong with that concept. Sad but true. You and I could have a lot of positive influence in this country when we take office in 2024.

The whataboutism argument never flies. My response is simple: teach about ALL of the parts of history where people were treated horribly. The more light that is shined on this crap the better the chance to make meaningful change. And sorry, but recent events such as Asian Americans being beat up for no reason or George Floyd and such shine a light on specific groups whether you like it or not. When someone starts picking on the Irish or Italians again then a light will shine on how those immigrants were poorly treated when they came to the country. People in this country will be treated equally when all prejudice is eliminated. An ideal that may never be reached but a good one to strive towards.

But there are things that many Americans don't know about our history. As you know one of my daughters is Asian by descent, and when I put out some stuff about the anti-Asian hate stuff going on to the parent forum for her college, I hade about a hundred responses from parents saying they never knew Asians suffered through a lot of what they suffered through. For me personally, I had never heard about the Tulsa uprising against blacks until just a couple weeks ago. Unless we understand all of our history we may be doomed to repeat aspects of our history that should never be repeated.

Sounds about right.

Most won’t remember this one, but it was back in the 70’s during our losing streak to the Fish. We finally had them, we were leading near the end of the game, we’re psyched that the string would be cut. And Don Nottingham runs right up the gut to score, with not one Bill coming close to touching him. Never forgot that.

Teachers and parents.

I agree that the risk to elementary school kids is low enough to forego masks. It would help too if their elders all got vaccinated.

I am OK going without masks in schools, but your statement that not one kid died without a complicating condition is categorically not true. I know of two myself.

I said I would consider it, not do it. I tend to favor your side of it with the kids. But doing that, you'd have to know there would be some isolated cases of kids getting it and then either dying or having long term complications and you'd have to be willing to live with that.

Propoganda door swings both ways though. As far as where to go from here, I have evolved my thinking to say that we should open things back up again. That would be fairest to the vaccinated. And for the unvaccinated, if you're going to be so pig headed by now that you refuse to be vaccinated, wear masks, etc. then you deserve what you get if you become infected. Only thing I'd do is still consider masks in elementary schools this fall if kids that age are not eligible for the vaccine by then.

I remember him as a rookie in camp. Came out of nowhere and wound up being a solid guy for us for years. RIP.

I hope all the players listen to the advice from team physicians and get vaccinated. The benefits are great and risks if any are very, very minimal.

I have to disagree unfortunately. When presented with actual facts and saying they are wrong or don’t believe them - or worse, saying that scientists or physicians are lying - people that took an oath to help people and have dedicated their lives to such. That is not ignorance - ignorance is not knowing or not having knowledge. This is a willful denial of knowledge and even more insidious.