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like...a reverse marketing move?

i think the point is that is hasn't happened yet since sammy has been here, so it's not slam dunk that it will suddenly start happening. it should have, but with a boldin, jones, healthy clay, etc...it may not have again.

this is where i'm at with it. maybe this all works out. maybe mcb and bean are the guys we've been waiting for. then again, maybe not. what i do see is that some who don't like the trade are already calling it the end. who knows what will happen. it's been a strange few days, and it's going to take time to see how this plays out. i don't think it has anything to do with the player not wanting to be here. it has far more to do with whether or not it's worth paying him what he wants.

now people are just pushing that the bills could have signed him. sure they could have, but will he be worth the value of tagging him or is it worth throwing a ton of money his way just so he stays? the only way he would have been worth it was if he stayed healthy, and put up bigger numbers. he may have stayed healthy, but i doubt we would have seen his numbers inflate that much with this offense.

this is the better approach. they could sign him, but is it worth it. i'm someone who felt they should have let him played his final year and see how he worked out. the worst scenario would have been if sammy misses a game or two, has that 900-950 with 7 td type season. what do you do then? do you tag him with those numbers? let him test FA? to me, that's when it gets the most confusing. sure the bills could have found a way to keep him, but would it be worth the pay out? beat me to it.

yes, it is. the difference is that you just don't want to believe it for some reason.

right...people complain about his contract constantly.

there's a lot of ifs there. i'm not sure how great the bills will be this year, and i just can't imagine sammy's production was suddenly skyrocket to warrant the money he likely wants. could it happen? i suppose, but the reality is that he numbers would likely be pretty similar. i'm guessing they'll be pretty similar even in la.

eh...i think they tried to hard when they came on to keep some sort of continuity. this is the real shot at a "rebuild".

come on scott. if you don't think there was a better chance than not that sammy was leaving, you're just refusing not to look at the reality. they could have kept him by throwing money at him, but the question of value always comes up. buffalo letting him go was a calculated risk to not completely lose out. we don't know if it was wise or not yet.

this is why they're making the moves they are now, (i think). this team has to be re-established, get a new qb, and grow. it just depends if mcd and bean are the right guys to do it. if they are, the constant turnover stops. i'd be very surprised if this management was gone after 2 years, no matter what happens. to quote the past 12 years doesn't mean anything to me. different team with different heads not. i'm not going to blame what happened over 17 years on the new bosses. i think we're saying the same thing. he can be great, but it depends on health and the qb. right now i'm not sure either are going his way for him. not that they can't, but he has to show the nfl he can.

sammy is a great one based on potential. he really can be a superstar, and as you said, if goff gets better and sammy stays healthy, the sky's the limit. that's why it was a solid trade for the rams. trade a second for a potential superstar. that doesn't mean it was a bad trade for buffalo though. i'm of the side that it was very likely sammy was gone next year. could they have kept him if they threw money at him? probably, but at some point it's cost value. how much can we possibly spend on a wr that hovers around the 1000 yard mark? i just don't seem him putting up bigger numbers with this team over the next couple of years. he may not with the rams either depending on goff.

so...because there's a fight in practice, the team is mentally weak? i get that some are bothered by the trades, but this is trying far too hard.

do you think sammy will want to wait for a new qb to develop? i think it's more likely that the bills will draft one vs trade for one. he may very well not. next year will be his opportunity to test the market, and he has a huge chance to make great money to on a team with an established qb. he may even do this to LA. i'm not even saying the trade is right or wrong, but thinking that a new qb was going to change sammy's numbers next year isn't likely. technically it's young players for young players and draft picks. in no way were watkins and darby established.

do you think it's more likely that we would have gone or stayed? if sammy had his chance, do you think he'd take a nice deal with a team with an established qb? do you think sammy would want to wait for a new qb to be developed, as his numbers stay pedestrian? i don't know how it would have played out, but some are acting like there wasn't a very strong possibility that he leaves.

what if they win?

like you said it's because of potential. we may not even see a drop off in production at the wr position with the way this team is set up. i don't think this team is better without sammy, but there may not be that much of a change...at all.

please tell me this is true...

certainly makes sense. i just wasn't sure if it was more of a personality/philosophy issue between the groups.

i wonder what he means by not buying in exactly.

i think the trade was based on the bills feeling that sammy wouldn't be on the team next year, and just wanted to get something. could they have "forced" him to stay with the tag...sure, but will his compensation be worth his production. it's a risk either way. that being said, i don't think they were going to get much more for sammy. he has all of the potential in the world without the production to match...at this point.

exactly.

do you think the bills shouldn't take a shot at qb? you really seem to be bent out of shape over taking one.

there's many ways to get a qb. no matter what the method, it's always a gamble, but i can't believe that after all this time with lousy qb play, people are actually nervous about taking one. it has to happen. the bills may even be able to get their guy at the position they wind up with, and will still have a ton of high picks.

i certainly agree that tyrod was a reason watkins never had huge numbers here, but in my opinion, you are down playing his injury history way too much. even with the rams he not going to put up huge numbers due to qb play. i liked your estimate of 1150 yrs and 10 tds as his ceiling, but i think we both agree he can do better with an established qb...as long as he healthy. the rams could be in a tough spot. they need to come up with a reasonable contract soon the sign sammy, and if smart, he'd take it. if he has numbers like you mentioned, i'd guess he'd want to test the market, and possibly find a better situation for him. likely the rams will over pay now and take a chance on his health, which i question. it's not a terrible gamble, so for the rams i think it's worth it.