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I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shineI picked up my shovel and I walked to the mineI loaded sixteen tons of number nine coalAnd the straw boss said "Well, a-bless my soul"

And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shoveThen a miner yelled out "there's a light up above!"And twenty men scrambled from a would-be graveNow there's only one left down there to save, big JohnWith jacks and timbers they started back downThen came that rumble way down in the groundAnd then smoke and gas belched out of that mineEverybody knew it was the end of the line for big John

Thanks NoSaint, for bursting my bubble... Seriously, you make good points. Everyone who has tested positive and went on to test negative along with being tested for antibodies needs to be well documented and indicated on their drivers license or state ID IMO. God forbid a future 2nd wave of the virus should occur proper documentation and tracking through the next pandemic will give us valuable information. Men and woman who have developed antibodies could play a critical role in many ways going into the future IMO and just like that my fan fruit ripe for the pickings could be back in business. A study on how the Covid 19 positve case load stands up and cheers in real time... The herd circling the herd... One Buffalo strong...

I'm not sure why anyone who has previously tested positive for Covid 19 and gotten over it wouldn't make for a safe fan in the stands IMO. If you think about it finding enough safe fans to fill up the stands might not be that hard to do by the time playoffs get here. Hell, it might not be that hard to do right now. The well saturated state of Florida's teams should be golden. Along with Arizona, Texas , New York, California all good states to find safe fans ripe for the pickings. I'm just saying...

Almost 5 and a half million confirmed cases with less then 2 million of them recoverd and at this rate we could easily see that number hit 10 million by December. Almost doubling the amount of deaths we have right now. Staggering numbers. I'll agree with the President on one thing. All the Doctors and nurses standing on the front lines of this fight are doing an incredible job. May God bless and protect them all. I also think the job being done to develop and test a new vaccine ASAP is nothing short of incredible. It looks like we might be in for a bad winter Bad things , but I do see light at the end of the tunnel...

Now I'm looking forThe dum dum boysWhere are you nowWhen I need your noiseNow I'm looking forThe dum dum boysThe walls close in andI need some noise

You bring a good argument shoshin, but there's always two sides to a story. Losing loved ones young or old is enough to make many people consider suicide IMO. Over 170,000 loved ones gone and growing. I can't think of a greater loss. Or a greater pressure then trying to protect the one's you love and care for IMO. My original estimation ( 320,000 lives lost) and slow spread of the virus I predicted/feared earler in the thread is right on track unfortunately. (page 97) To many mixed signals from leadership. Not enough unity to accomplish anything substantial, except possibly slow the spread, which has now backfired on us IMO. I get your points and again you bring a good argument

and she'll have fun, fun, fun till her Daddy takes the T - Bird away

Absolutely Contact tracing isn't accomplishing squat in my neck of the woods...( IMO ) I'm more worried about my neighbors children running up to me or my 82 year old mom ( with underlying hea'lth conditions) while we're in our yard. I told you that though right? I think your solution was wear a mask If I'm so concerned. Awesome answer to the problem I must say. Take out the trash, wear a mask. Check the mail, where a mask. Go in our own backyard to get some fresh air and sunshine. Wear a mask. Thanks At the very least neighbors should be informed when a case is reported next door to them IMO. Invasion of privacy my !@!&! That might be helpful for context, here

I'm considering the small droplets that will carry longer distantces in the wind. I'm considering lightning, hail, sun protection, bee's and everything else mother nature can throw at you. Where do you take them all when a storm comes? Or its 90 degrees out? Or better yet, snowing?

Not only when it rains. Wind and early studies indicate air pollution may help carry Covid 19 greater distances. Wind would expand the safe social distancing IMO. (If your parked down wind of a carrier) I think its easier to control and provide a safer environment indoors where air flow can be filtered and manipulated.

I'm not for public schools opening back up to protect the teachers and all the senior citizens that could be put in harms way because of it. I will say this though, with a good testing program in place it could help weed out and quarantine a big part of the population that is walking the streets with Covid 19 IMO. You can take NFL football games and with a fast method of testing accomplish the same thing. Dog sniffers, temp check, the whole works. Take saliva samples from each ticket holder. You could also perform a real time in depth study of how Covid is transmitted in large gatherings IMO. Some of you guys may have seen my idea in another thread. Sounds to time consuming and complicated right? Or is it? I know more than one person right now that has symptoms of Covid 19 and is not reporting it. If it can happen in my small town its happening everywhere. So what do you do? Covid 19 hotline needed perhaps?

To answer your question, I think everything is working in conjunction in NY and there is no right or wrong answer here. My home state of PA is starting to cool off without a 2nd spike in hard hit areas. PA reported 384 total new cases on monday, zero deaths. You will have clusters of people who are less active, individually and within the groups they entertain that don't offer up the same kind of resistance as more active groups of people IMO. Until a vaccine is available It doesn't surprise me. Herd immunity won't be reached as easily within these types of clusters. https://news.yahoo.com/models-suggest-covid-19-herd-130126904.html

Not seeing a 2nd spike in most of the earlier hotspots that have since cooled off I think points in that direction in my humble opinion Hapless. Myself personally, the hard hit city and state of NY is a good example. As far as evidence goes the viewpoints on what kind of percentages it takes to achieve herd immunity vary. Our positive case load walking the streets could be up to 10 times higher then reported. My personal opinion is based on observation. It appears through observation herd immunity is already occuring in parts of our country and around the world IMO.

On the subject of herd immunity it does appear we might be seeing signs of this developing in hard hit regions of the country IMO. Our saving grace perhaps...

How about whats fair to the teachers? Or all the senior citizens who are going to die because someone had the bright idea to throw fuel on the fire by packing our younger generation into buildings and classrooms? 6 weeks in comparison to months of this?

Ship has sailed? Do we give up on a forest fire thats out of control when mother nature throws a monkey wrench in our plans with a change of wind speed and direction? I think not The country doesn't need a lockdown forever. The country needs a unified lockdown for 6 weeks so everyone who has Covid can get over it or seek medical attention without spread. We're talking 6 weeks, 8 weeks in current hot spots. If all goes well the US might be in a position to open back up the way you suggest. Restraunts and bars open at full capacity. Businesses weren't meant to thrive or even survive at 50% capacity. You get that right? Getting back to normal can only be accomplished when Covid 19 has been beat down to practically nothing? The US needs to prove it can carry out a united response to a pandemic so the next time around this doesn't happen in my humble opinion. Its never to late when millions of lives are at risk.

Proved we can handle this? Over 170,000 deaths? and not done yet? How can a nurse or staff member of a senior living facility safely protect its residents living in a community or country for that matter where Covid 19 is out of control? A virus that can travel as far and fast as one person can carry it in a day? Caregiver, same problem. The US has millions of vulnerable citizens over the age of 65.

Myself personally, 4 to 6 weeks of zero gatherings nationally (shelter in place) and the whole country would be on the road to recovery in my humble opinion. Ironically, the consequences of staying apart can be remedied by staying apart in a unified manner long enough to stop Covid 19 in its tracks IMO. Everyone assumes they have it ( which you might ) and the here and now is the time to get over it.

A more cost - effective, rapid response, readily available and user friendly way of testing increases the overall success you would have in my opinion.

While we're on the subject of quarantine. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/infectious-disease-expert-on-why-he-thinks-us-needs-another-lockdown/vi-BB17OeSE?ocid=xboxntp

Yup

On the subject of masks. It bugs the hell out of me that I keep hearing the same thing over and over again. My mask protects you, your mask protects me, which is all fine and good. If everyone would only wear one, or wear one properly. In a perfect world perhaps. On the other hand If you are elderly or have underlying health conditions. (Or in close contact with someone fitting this description) I suggest wearing an N95 mask so you can protect yourself as much as possible. We have to many people in this world who aren't worried about protecting anyone. Not themselves or others. It only takes one person walking around a supermarket without a mask to spread Covid 19. I see it everyday. On a personal note I'm wearing an R95 with earloops plus velcro back of head strap. Fits very snug and feels safe enough my 82 year old mom with underlying health conditions has been getting out of the house wearing one ( shopping). While our town is dealing with an outbreak. My advice, wear a good mask people and don't depend on a stranger to protect you. (eye protection)

Imagine no possessionsI wonder if you canNo need for greed or hungerA brotherhood of manImagine all the peopleSharing all the world...

Well, woke up this morning with a wine glass in my hand Whose wine? What wine? Where the hell did I dine? Must have been a dream I don't believe where I've been Come on, lets do it again Do you... You, feel like I do? Howd ya feel? Do you...you, feel like I do?