Buffalo716

Technically you are correct it is possible I am not a fan of spying with two yards to go... It can work but a lot of times it just is taking a guy out of a drop zone when a quick completion is needed... When he put eight guys around the line of scrimmage... He could have sent six including one in the Gap Josh ran through That's why analytics says to go for it when you have Josh Allen in 4th 1 or 2... He's really hard to stop from getting two yards It's pick your poison

Players make plays within a system You go through hundreds of hours in film room and meeting rooms to prepare for situations like this Yes Josh Allen freeballed and made a play... The blocking scheme which kromer is in charge of created an open Lane which Josh can run through How you block up that last play will determine if there is a lane or not... Josh could have put his five lineman in multiple different blocking combinations What he did is trust what he's been coached up to do in that situation like Josh made a play but the line execution was extremely well and that comes from preparation

Don't bring me back into this when I understand x's and o's at an extremely high level The bills have ran 150 mesh plays this year and they don't always half slide left... Kromer's blocking scheme and coaching certainly is the reason they did that They just didn't do it out of nowhere

The Chiefs only scored one touchdown in the second half and had 259 yards of offense It was a tremendous coaching effort across the board with a great game plan ... Our defense was controlling the majority of the game not there offense If there's one thing you should learn its that Joe Brady will continue to run the ball whether it's successful or not because it keeps the defense honest And wears them out

He's very good but at the end of the day he still a dome kicker You literally can't take what he does and then dome and then think it will be the same and windy ass orchard Park His percentage is definitely changing

As I said up thread 4th and two or even third and two is a really no win situation for a spy That's why they put seven eight guys in the box... Overload Josh's brain and get him to try and hold the ball a split second more It's one thing if it was third and 7 or 4th and 7... A spy has enough room to track him down.. at 4th and 2 and Josh can go left, right , a gap left or right B Gap left or right.. that's almost too close for it to be super effective And taking someone out of coverage.. to spy would mean it would be easier for Josh to find a three yard completion You're between a rock and a hard place with that distance... You're better sitting in zone like they did while crowding the line of scrimmage or actually sending six and trying to clog all of Josh's running Lanes

Well yeah absolutely you can pick apart a lot of things throughout the game I was definitely not a fan of third and two play call... I think you squarely have to put it in Josh's hands both plays OR have a better schemed run that could at minimum get it within quarterback sneak range Ideally I would keep it in Josh's hands both times

Yeah players have to make plays I'm pretty sure Jimmy Johnson And other have said it's not the X's and O's it's the jimmies and the Joe's And there's a sign of truth You need players to make plays at the end of the game... But they need to be coached well enough to not panic and be prepared enough to get themselves into the right spot We've seen 20 years of bills in ineptitude to where they do not make the right little adjustments at the end of the game Sure the play call was absolutely a man beater.. it was a mesh concept But the Bills coaches are not dumb enough to just have a one play outcome.. they obviously have little intricacies if it does happen to be zone... The line shift is one of those things Yes Andy Reid was holding back on every single good play he has And Sean McDermott gave him the kitchen sink every single thing in his arsenal Andy Reid opened the game with misdirection reverse lol he did not hold all his cards to his vest.. our offense was more vanilla than theirs Listen is challenging has been one of the worst parts of his game But he's also one of the best developers in the world I will live with that

To be fair we also have an x NFL official in the booth telling him when he should or shouldn't challenge There's so many stuff going on he doesn't always have the perfect angle or idea He relies on other people's vantage point and looks

Because he didn't have to check out of it The routes were not good for a zone but the protection and the preparation made Josh confident in what he needed to do Take a slightly deeper drop manipulate the left defensive end and create a gap But that all stems from coaching from the quarterback coach and offensive coordinator and film room Lesser quarterbacks panic a good quarterback trusts what he's been taught

You can sit here and say that the coaching didn't matter on the last play But that last play shows they are coached from top down They half slid left to create a gap in the b gap... When if they were just going for pure pocket presence passing they would slide right They called a man beater with protections for a possible zone call which is coaching

It was a man beater ... But that's why coaching from top down is important The routes ran were not good for zone.. they were tight and grouped The protection, which is coached down via film room saved the play ... Because at the NFL level a man beater vs zone or vice versa can be beat with protection and coaching what to do It was not blocked like a quick hitter play... It was not blocked like a typical mesh... They ran a man beating play ... Which didn't turn out to be man... But the protection allows Josh to create after the initial play is not there It was clear pre-play that it was not man coverage... So Josh a 100% knew it was zone... And he is coached what to do in a zone situation Slide the pocket left manipulate the left defensive end wide and hit the gap That is coaching top down 100%... They go through these situations in practice thousands of times Josh has to make the play.. but he's been coached for years what to do in that situation You call a man-beater and they're in zone.. you partially slide left create a gap in the b gap and now he has options That is coaching... Because like I said feelings tell you to slide to the right and double Chris Jones.. but that doesn't create a gap in the b gap... And Josh knew it was not man coverage

They absolutely did a great job containing him.. they have a tremendous front... Like I said I truly believe the differences 100 hours of film study with the o line QB coach and line coach Human nature says you slide right and double Chris Jones... But the intricacies of football say you half slide left and create that gap on the right That is purely film room preparation and coaching Because feelings say you don't do that

Yeah Ive been traumatized by the bills as much as you can like we all have so that's why I don't need the game day thread I do swear at my TV enough as is or in person when I'm there The thing that's impressing me is quarterbacks who understand protections, and why and where you call them is a coached thing Josh has been in meeting rooms for 100 hours with his lineman quarterback coach and line coach... And they tell him when he sees this front even if you want to double Chris Jones This is why you don't and you have slide left

You put seven guys on the line of scrimmage so you don't have to spy him All the people in the box is supposed to confuse him a split second enough for anything else to get home... Spying a quarterback with two yards to go is taking another guy out of coverage which could just make a easier completion and they probably can't get the Josh within two yards I get what you're saying but it's actually a no win down and distance It was 4th and seven a spy can absolutely get it done and maybe tackle him at 5 yards The football field being so wide.. it's a hard spy to stop two yards you'd be better off just heavily blitzing him and trying to get home

The game day thread is technically a cesspool full of exaggeration and craziness I don't think it represents what's actually happening

You have to be coached on protections to make the right protection call Buddy I specifically just go to the last play because you need to have good coaching to make that protection call... That's something that you go over in tens of hours of meeting rooms It's coached Rookie quarterbacks don't come into the league and have that they learn it because coaches drill it into them Some get it some don't Josh has become a mental Master on the field which comes from trusting your coaches

It's not to say that Andy Reid and his coaches are not really good at what they do But yesterday Sean McDermott and company out schemed and out coached Andy Reid, spag and company The game plan, the execution... Babich was never playing catch up... He knew what Andy Reid wanted to do and had players in the right spot It doesn't matter how aggressive spagnola is on defense when you have a quarterback who can read the defense pre-play , get the offensive line on the same page... And they do their job Even on the last play of the game.. fourth and two with it all on the line Spags has seven on the line of scrimmage... Completely trying to overload Josh's brain... Josh sees it all and makes a protection call half sliding left... Leaving Torrance one-on-one with future Hall of famer Chris Jones Leaving Torrance and van demark 1 on 1 with the line half shifted left... Allows a massive hole in the B gap and an easy read for Josh to make.... He was never throwing the ball ... He takes a deeper drop out of shotgun which makes the Left end go wider thinking he can speed rush The tackle... Not even realizing that's washing him out of the play Sure did he have the option to throw, yes... But the protection and the half sliding line left was all about Josh being able to wash out the defensive line and identify a gap in the front... The way Josh maneuvers in the packet is second to none and with the game on the line him moving is the most deadly thing in the NFL Even the last play shows the nuances that happen in every single NFL play... A quarterback who can't make the right protection call and trust his players up front cannot make that play.. and he has to be coached up good enough to know why he's making those calls... Not doing it just to do it but knowing the reason why Human nature says you slide right and double Chris Jones but the intricacies of football and coaching show why they didn't

Dawkins was early second round.. Torrance was second round Spencer Brown is the most athletic tackle in NFL history third round Connor was the third round pick of the cowboys While we don't have any crazy 70 million contracts we do above average pieces everywhere which is more than most the rest of the League can say

I met him at Gothic Hill par 3 golf course in North Tonawanda Apparently he's there all the time

Again being very similar is different than a carbon copy If I had 10 hours to break down film with you and show you differences in there checks and tendencies and alignment and personnel usage it would be show the difference The way you worded it makes it sound like shanahan disciples just leave with a copy of his playbook and directly implement that which doesn't happen that simply Kyle shanahan's offense is not Mike shanahan's offense, and Mike's was not Walsh's Football guys learn and adapt and grow... Does mcvays offense have shanahan's fingerprints on it.. yes Is it a direct carbon copy.. copy pasted from shanahan to LA with McVay with zero growth No

I saw McVay wrinkles from day one honestly I never saw it as a complete rip-off of shanahan's offense ... It had a base of it but there were differences in tendencies There's always going to be similarities from a coaching tree lineage but at the NFL level you just can't take someone's playbook 100% and implement it The league adapts and grows and learns too fast for multiple exact carbon copies

We lost some good players who are old and declining and replace them with faster younger people Everything the media said was overblown, I never doubted the bills were going to run the afc east again

I've been high on the kid for years

He's an old man now doing publicity stunts that is typically for the younger generation I'm sure he wanted to stop it 10 years ago... But he's so popular