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Yes he's talking about his release which was super unorthodox I said a long time ago when he played that it was like a basketballer Who was just crossing you up and going to open space Still a very high compliment 30,000 passing yards and over 200 touchdowns show Ryan Fitzpatrick is severely underrated He was always one of the better players on bad teams.. never the weak link on a good one

So let's just go back to f-right 72 ghost tosser concept which I diagrammed the play To simplify this exercise we're going to act like we are facing a cover three So ghost concept would be the primary read side against a cover 3... Specifically the flat then the out route But let's say Josh Allen goes up to the line... And this time on the tosser side he notices a Blitzer off the edge... At the line Josh could just do something as simple as point to the area or the receiver.. and he knows his backside slant is now hot Stuff that they've worked back through minicamp to where it's just second nature.. a hand gesture a head nod.. Josh could just turn his third option to the one at the line of scrimmage based on what he sees

I think Joe Brady's approach of everybody eats can be handled a couple ways But the easiest way in offensive coordinator can get everybody to eat is by calling specific plays for specific people If you want the defense to have to defend everybody the first couple drives of the game you might want to call specific plays that are going to get the ball in four different people's hands You have play calls that are longer developing plays with not as defined reads... And then you have some simpler plays with very defined reads Like some quick RPO stuff If Brady comes out giving Josh some plays with quick defined reads where he only has two reads... RPO quick hitch... He can hand it off , or if the corner is playing 8 yd off you can throw the hitch Then he does a bubble screen the next play... Then five wide quarterback draw The next plan first down he goes back to the RPO, but instead of the quick hitch.. backside slant Those are some simple offensive play calls that are pretty defined where you can get the ball into multiple people's hands right out of the play call It's on Joe Brady to keep a good rhythm with the offense .. when a quarterback gets shaky which even the best do .. it's on the play caller to settle him down and get him back into a groove

Coryell would be the verbage system with Fairchild too As I said earlier back in the day West Coast EP and coryell were offensive styles but also verbiage systems Coryell was like the west coast in that the call had a formation, number and a few tags... But not as long As the NFL became more modern.. and coaches worked with other coaches.. a lot of the plays in the systems have been condensed leaving the verbiage system the biggest difference somebody like Sean Payton his offense is basically a conglomerate of coryell and West Coast concepts from back in the day with a modern spread touch No problem man

@Beck Water I have not checked but I think fitz may have played in a true West Coast system his first couple years in St Louis Didn't really play much but I think he was in one early But the west coast verbiage system is very distinct... And it's a mouthful... A college kid who has been reading plays off of big boards on the sideline for years has a super hard time adjusting to something like that... I think Josh being in the EP has really helped them because he doesn't have to do as much thinking as say Jon gruden quarterback

He didn't play under a traditional full West Coast system But as I said originally West Coast is a verbage system and a style of offense Chan gailey preferred EP verbage but instilled a lot of spread West Coast elements to his offense... The quick passing game was an extension of the run.. the screen game was an extension of the run .. he like a zone system like WC... He did not use West Coast verbage though he was one of the more modern offensive coordinators to take principles of the West Coast offense without the verbiage, and mold it into an EP offense But it had a lot of West Coast principles, besides the verbiage Most modern offenses have West Coast principles built into them now.. but not all of them have the verbage which is specifically what I was talking about in this thread The heavy verbiage of the West Coast offense is tough even on professional players and they have a lot to think about.. the EP verbiage simplifies everything to a rudimentary point So gailey had EP verbiage, and a modern offense that was modeled after West Coast coryell spread everything.. I don't think you could actually put a name on his offensive style... he really was a very good offensive coordinator

Simple verbiage... With mirrored play calls allow streamline play calling through all your personal groupings We can run this out of 11 or 12 personnel streamlessly

So in an 11 personnel Ghost tosser is going to tell both sides of pass catchers their route combination F right 72 Ghost tosser would refer to the flanker right... Ghost would be their route combination So ghost is going to tell the people on the right side of the formation in 11 personnel their route combination Flanker , 9 route... Y runs out... Running back flat Tosser refers to the backside.. x and z dual backside slants But you can flip that to f left 73 ghost tosser in any personnel

A system like the west coast is heavy heavy verbiage 10 15 20 + word play calls The EP condenses the play called to 5 6 7 word calls If Josh says ghost tosser... It means the same thing whether they're in 11 personnel or 12 or 21 All the wide receivers whether they're in the slot or at the x know the route combinations just by ghost tosser ... it's always the same route combinations In the West Coast system.. that route combination out of those three different personnel's are going to have massive different calls... It condenses plays between your personnel groupings So the bills can run the same route concept out of five different looks... Instead of wide receivers listening to 20 words for their role.. something as simple as ghost tosser tells all the pass catchers what they need to do

His body really didn't change that much He certainly has not added 15 lb... What he did is Master his pad level He is playing with supreme pad level and leverage now which he didn't Year One When his pad level was too high he was not as powerful as a runner.. now he plays with great leverage which has increased his running power and pop

I went to canisius but maryvale was my early school And yea last 20 years it was maryvale Central... But back in the day it was Central JFK

Awards are slightly subjective tho Josh Allen has had more touchdowns than the MVP probably three out of the five years.. it's not like he was pedestrian with 20 touchdowns He has been playing at an MVP level five straight years.. whether it ended up in one all pro or 3 He could have three MVPs and three all pros But the voters love Lamar Jackson who went to a better team and that is a fact Lamar Jackson inherited a better team right off the bat than Josh Allen, and still gets all the love like he turned around a franchise like Josh Allen He's a tremendous player, I would not take Lamar Jackson over Jack Allen if I had no bias

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If Terrell Davis got in... I think Josh Allen's last 5 years stint could also get him in even if it took multiple tries on the ballot Now I want him here for another decade so he wins a whole bunch of games and hopefully a super bowl or two

That's not the criteria for Hall of Fame tho buddy I watched Jim Kelly with my own eyes for years and he certainly is a Hall of Fame player but modern statistics leaves him at the bottom... he doesn't have an MVP... He's a one-time All-Pro Warren Moon never All prod once... and he is in the Hall of Fame and he is worthy I'd be willing to bet as much money as you're willing to wager that Josh Allen will wind up in the Hall of Fame

Josh Allen has more passing touchdowns.. more Rushing touchdowns , more passing yards,more playoff wins, and better playoff stats then Lamar Jackson and he also has an MVP I don't care if opinion voters voted him MVP more than Josh because Josh could be a three-time MVP right now Josh Allen scores more points than Lamar Jackson and is a better postseason quarterback.. if you think Lamar is in Josh Allen is in Josh also went to a much worse franchise than the Baltimore Ravens and turned them around.. Lamar Jackson went to one of the most steadfast franchises of the last 25 years Yeah Josh Allen is ahead of Lamar Jackson regardless of AP awards

Because if Josh Allen played the same amount of years as Matt Ryan he would smoke his touchdown total lol If you think Lamar is in Josh is squarly in I don't need their bogus metrics.. Josh Allen could and should have as many all pros as Lamar Jackson He has better stats and performs better in the postseason too.

Yes but that's not always the case John elway one of his two super bowls with shanahan in the West Coast offense.. and elway had the ability to play on script or he was the best improviser of his time

For sure A guy like Ryan Fitzpatrick thrived in a West Coast system Onscript he was literally tremendous when he was on fire he was one of the best in the world... Off script he quickly turned to meh Except when he took off and ran and then he had some skill

Again if you're just talking about a West Coast playing style.. you can adopt that in a Earhart Perkins system.. West Coast system was short passes being an extension of the run.. motion zone running.. misdirection All of that was built on top of the verbiage system The differences that the EP is simple.. ghost tosser means the same whether they're an 11 personnel 21 personnel or 12 personnel It would have three different calls under the West Coast verbiage.. some might be 20 word play calls.. it is more strictly defined because everything is spelled out

The system is designed to make players have to think less on the field which should make them play faster People always talk about 40 times but there is a true difference between game speed and underwear speed Even a player who runs a 4.40 but is not up to speed on the terminology or his role in the play will play slow... Look out of place But a guy who runs a 4.6.. who understands the system and his defined role no matter where it is, is going to look like he plays a lot faster So it's about maximizing what you do good, being able to do it in any personnel to keep the defense on its heels And letting the players play fast because they don't have to think too much about a super complicated play call... Because if you're doing too much thinking you're not playing fast

Before they come out for their drive.. they've been looking at the tablet and looking how the defense has been playing them that will give them an idea about how they want to attack them and potentially taking what used to be your second or third read and making it your primary read if that's what the defense is giving you They also have a bird's eye view sitting in the box.. where most offensive coordinators are sitting So they have a good vantage point over the whole field and allows them to see potential soft spots in the defense that are opening up that are tougher to see a ground level.. that alone can influence his play calling throughout a drive if he is able to pinpoint where the defense is getting stretched and during a timeout or potentially quick after the play he can relay some quick nuggets like the shell that they're sitting in

Manu could have started on 29 teams across the league and was a real Superstar .. he selflessly came off the bench for pop I remember long-haired manu at 26-27 years old Euro stepping and dunking on 7-footers Draymond is absolutely phenomenal but I still think he's even a step below a guy like Manu ginobili But manu is a HoFr.. so I think Draymond is close

So the headsets only on for x amount of time.. I'm sure you could probably say some things but you have to get the play call in fast and make sure the quarterback gets it It's not always a lot of time for breaking down what you're seeing.. that's why after the drive they go to the bench and look at the tablet.. because they can get live information back and adjust Every play is going to have built-in rules... Based on defensive alignment, how many men in the box, and personnel The EP allows wide receivers to play universal roles... The bills might run 11 personnel a bunch... But the EP allows them to line up in a whole bunch of different alignments... Whether they're under center or out of shotgun And the roles are defined... Ghost tosser means the same thing to Coleman whether he's at the x or in the slot Hot reads are determined by as I said earlier personal how many in the box, defensive alignment etc

Yeah and they also were paralleling two under recruited kids Who both wound up at small colleges.. even North Dakota is smaller than Wyoming FCS to FBS And their overall athleticism and ability to create outside pocket Not to mention that Lance was billed as a 6'3 230 lb modern day quarterback.. He really does seem to have a lot of talent but I think playing quarterback at the FCS level is almost too much to overcome at the NFL now Even Joe flacco was probably close to 20 years ago and he was the prototype pocket passer that the NFL looked for Trey Lance was a projection