Buffalo716

No offense and again people here are acting like I've been criticizing Josh Allen on this board for seven years lol Go back I got the receipts I was one of the first people here saying Josh Allen is a future All pro and an MVP.. when people were still iffy .. well before his third year breakout I've always said Josh Allen had the most talent I've ever seen That doesn't mean he can't get better.. it doesn't mean he doesn't have lapses of not playing great Even Tom Brady went through two three game stretches of not playing well

Again I'm not saying he's not worth a pic I've been around football long enough to know he's not going for a first round pick with his tape this year Randy Moss went for a fourth round pick and I don't care if he was 29-30 he's the most talented wide receiver ever If they were actually going to trade btj you would be able to get him for a second

It is tough in a salary cap League when you're not getting top 10 picks Joe burrow has tons of flashy toys but his organization can't keep him upright so it doesn't even matter This is the same people that did bring in John Brown and Cole Beasley and diggs via pro personal... And gave Josh weapons... But he didn't really have a line Now he has a line and we don't have those elite weapons... So he's going to have to throw some people open.. he's going to have to be great in the pocket and outside the pocket consistently We all know he's a superstar but he's going to have to consistently play at a steady level which is what you do expect out of a future Hall of famer

@GoBills808 For sure this is the type of offense the bills want to run In fact when people hear were complaining for weeks and weeks I was the first one to have Brady and Josh Allen's back and say this is what they want But what made Josh's arm so special is that he could put the ball in spots other quarterbacks can't And some of those throws are risky

Absolutely but there is a fine line I've always been able to live with some Josh Allen turnovers when he's playing with that mentality of im here to score and make plays You want to be smart but you don't want to be neutralized it's a fine line the bills have to find

He gets traded, it's not even going to take a first round pick People have goggles on a talented wide receiver who has his head in the gutter right now... The leader in drops with metrics at the bottom of the NFL is not going for a first round pick No matter if he's 6'2 and runs a 4.39.. The biggest red flag is if the jaguars would trade that guy with 2.5 years left on his rookie deal

Exactly nobody in the NFL is typically running open by yards in yards unless it's blown coverage Josh was always good at threading the needle on tight coverage.. he's going to need to throw some people open which is what you expect out of the best player in the world We still have a much better O line than the rest of the league and a back who just went for 200 With shakir and kincaid... Palmer will come back eventually... They need to dial up plays for the people who move the offense and that will open up everyone else

Hoecht was a D tackle in the ivy league at Brown Reshaped his body to make an NFL roster He's got to be a tank at his size when he used to be 315 lb

4tj and 10 ughhh lol Andy Dalton throws great balls to the boundary today

Hoecht was my favorite acquisition of off season!

So if somebody were a defensive coordinator in the NFL for 10 years.. and they had one top 10 defense in turnovers And then you had Bill belichick.. who had 10 straight years of top 10 for turnovers You don't think coaching has anything to do with taking the ball away? yeah luck has a small part.. the random bounce of the ball Yet your coaching and scheme and execution and putting players in the right place to be around the ball is as important... It's lucky to catch a hail Mary If you have five top five defenses for creating turnovers in 8 years and never left the top 10... That's consistency which luck isn't giving you for 8 years... There is a coached element, and there is luck But luck doesn't get it done for 8 years that's when you know it's coached... If we were top five once and never in the top 10 again.. I'd say that was a lucky year the abnormal Doing it every year makes it normal

Last year we basically ran the same type of screen and shakir picked up 15 vs chiefs It's about execution.. and that keeps the defense honest

Nobody and no coach in football would ever believe that lol it takes a little bit of luck.. like a fumble bouncing the right way... but to produce it for seven or eight straight years takes a lot of coaching and execution and preparedness That's why you're not a defensive coordinator because you think a coach who puts out top five and top 10 defenses every year for turnovers is luck lol No it's always been a coached thing Talk to a coach It's not random when you produce it all the time.. it is something that is coached to take the ball away

Sean McDermott eight top 10 defenses for turnovers created and five top five defenses for turnovers created shows that forcing turnovers is not luck or chance.. he's been here 8 years and we've been in the top 10 every single year including five in the top five It wasn't with a bill Belichick team either... It is something that is coached.. eight straight years of being in the top 10 of turnovers shows it is not random luck It's a product of what you're preaching and coaching and than having guys who can take it away

Josh Allen should literally play this entire game and they need to get into a rhythm This is the time to do it... This offense is not devoid of talent it's in a funk

Shakir is a weapon... He is a really good slot receiver with some of the bes yac in the world

Absolutely Andy Dalton has to just throw that out of the back of the end zone That's something a 22-year-old quarterback does not a 37-year-old 15 year veteran That's really bad execution

Pass rush has great juice today .. helps when you know where the QB will be Dalton isn't moving that great

Wow he couldn't get two more feet into the end zone!

Yes sir

You're going to get flamed for criticizing Allen at all especially by some people And they're going to take everything you said out of context also Remember you could never be right and the other person always will be

But when I'm honest and say Allen's a little bit off I get flamed You could be the best player in the world and still be off for a couple games Nobody with eyes could sit here and be like Allen is sharp as a tack rn He's going to turn it around but he needs to have a couple good drives to get the good juices flowing again

He had Rob gronkowski who played 12 games a year and was always hurt When gronkowski went down which was a lot they didn't have much except a bunch of slot receivers And we do have Dalton Kincaid who is slowly becoming a big time receiving threat... He is a very good tight end obviously not Rob gronkowski

I'm literally just putting you on ignore now because I've been the biggest Allen Homer here for years and he's by far my favorite player you're just sad lol I've been his biggest Homer and supporter here since day one I was the first person here to call him a future MVP.. I've always had his back He's not perfect Been nice talking to you all these years not really LOL you're going on ignore now

No Tom Brady always is good at finding the open guy .. if we had Chris Hogan starting on the outside here people would be flaming the bills too.. he won a super bowl with Chris Hogan on the outside.. Josh Allen is my favorite player but people here have anointed him as the best ever who could never regress and he is not nowhere near as sharp as a prime Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady right now We can go back to the all 22 and there's going to be open guys that he doesn't see they're always is Allen is great that doesn't mean he's perfect .. even if he is the most talented player in the world he does make mistakes that's fine to admit