jrober38

You can't criticize Allen when he plays poorly. He's obviously on his way to being a franchise QB.

EJ was complete trash. His first four games his second season were the worst I've seen from any QB. He had no business being on the field following the Chargers and Texans games.

Knox needs to be an every down player. He's a great blocker and a legit pass catching threat. There's no reason for Lee Smith to see the field.

19-0.

You realize this is just an opinion right? If this is true (and I don't think it is), either the Pegulas don't know what they're doing, or McDermott is unbelievably stubborn.

Allen seems to be good with the game on the line. It's the other 90% of each game that he's really poor that needs improving.

Some people seem to be crediting his success to the "elite" weapons he has around him. I think he'd be putting up the same numbers with our skill players. As you suggested the guy is just amazing. Doesn't matter who he plays with, he'll produce.

You don't think it was weird? Mahomes - good size - good mobility - rocket arm - good intangibles - elite college production Allen - elite size - good mobility - rocket arm - good intangibles - poor college production We passed on the first guy, and then traded up for the second guy. Made no sense.

Most people in the national media who cover this team objectively are down on Josh Allen. Most were never "up".

I think it's the Bills. For all we know the Bears might have thought a couple QBs that year were going to be good, but they liked Trubisky the most and thought he'd be elite so they traded up. For us, we essentially said we think this guy won't be any good, and we're not picking him. There's no unknown in how we viewed Mahomes. We obviously didn't think he'd be any good. This is what made the Josh Allen pick so strange. The Bills passed on one of the most productive QBs in college history, with the cannon arm, good size, good mobility and good intangibles, and then traded up for a worse version of all that the following year. Totally bizarre.

Their defense is good, but all three interceptions were self inflicted errors.

Hardman played 33 games for Georgia and caught 60 passes. That's less than 2 catches a game for his career. Watkins has largely done nothing since his week 1 explosion. He did nothing the previous 2 seasons. The Chiefs offense is great because they have the best Quarterback in the NFL. He makes everyone on that offense better. If Mahomes were throwing to our receivers, he'd still be putting up insane numbers.

Sammy Watkins has been an under achiever for the past 3 years. Demarcus Robinson and Mecole Hardman are nobodies. He's got an unbelievable tight end, but his wide receivers are nothing special. He's elevated their play considerably with his talent.

Who cares. He's averaging 7.8 yards per pass. A yard is a yard. He hasn't forced a single pass into coverage.

Not necessarily. A 49 yard field goal is far from automatic. Also, if they'd hit one of them, they wouldn't have gone for it on 4th and goal and would have kicked a 20 yard field goal for the tie.

NFL kickers are collectively 45 of 64 on field goals from 40 to 49 yards this year, or 70%. I assume that the percentages are lower for 49 yard field goals vs 42 yard field goals. With the number of upgrades we made, I don't understand how Allen hasn't been able to improve his passer efficiency. He was at 68 last year in QB Rating, and he's still under 70 right now. I was hoping that number would jump up to around 90, which is still about 20th best in the league. The pass game has miles to go before it's just average by NFL standards. I'm not sure how likely that is to happen based off what we've seen so far.

I think this is an excuse because those guys aren't exactly throwing to house hold names. I also don't see them making stupid decisions with the football. Allen puts the ball in harms way too often. Too many fumbles and too many interceptions. The Bills rebuilt the offensive line, rebuild the running back depth chart, rebuilt the receiver depth chart, and the results in the pass game haven't been much better. That's a big concern in my eyes.

"Most" was the key word in my previous post. Eli (horrible for about 4 years), Stafford, Goff and I guess Brees although he was a 2nd round pick didn't start great immediately. They were also all drafted by the worst team in the NFL and went to horrible football teams.

People here usually refuse to look at things objectively. It's all emotional hope that what you see with your own eyes will get better, and it's not as bad as it seems. People are projecting what they want to be reality. They want to think Allen knows he's often making stupid decisions with the ball, and although he's shown minimal proof that he learns anything from his mistakes, they're convinced the light will go off any game now and he'll just start taking care of the football. Reality is that the guys in Allen's camp who post a QB rating of below 70 through 16 games (I know he's a game short) very rarely go onto become franchise QBs in the NFL. There are a few outliers (Eli, Stafford, Goff), but they were all #1 overall picks who went to horrible teams. Allen's situation is different. Most successful QBs were highly successful as soon as they got on the field. Anyways, Allen does some things well, and some things poorly. As I've said since before we picked him, I'm not sure the good will ever be enough to outweigh the bad, but hopefully I'm wrong. The rest of this team is awesome and we should be competing for the Super Bowl right now.

Most guys who are currently considered established franchise QBs in the NFL right now were good as soon as they got on the field.

Exactly. Neither throw should have been attempted. He needs to learn to take what the defense gives him, but we've been saying that for about a year now.

This is all true, it just felt like all the interceptions were unforced errors. On the 1st and 2nd interceptions he had plenty of time to throw and the coverages were obvious. It's not like the Pats baited him into anything. It was man coverage with a single high safety both times and he threw two bad passes when he didn't have to.

Yes. When the RB is wide open because the defender is laying on the ground, take it. A 10 yard pass is much easier than a 40 yard pass. The result showed that pretty clearly. There was no chance of a pass to Gore getting intercepted.

Agreed. Seems as though the play there is to run right into the offensive player if you want to get the call. The tight end is looking at our CB the moment the ball is snapped. Never once does he look back at the QB. It's a pick the whole way.

He looked at Gore before he threw it to Jones...