kasper13

Come on. What else are you going to do on a Friday Night in October? Redwoods vs Locomotives on Versus. Ugly uniforms, lime green stripes on the football and JP Losman at QB? What could possibly be better? I didn't mind the XFL. I think it could have worked if they left the WWE hype out of it. Obvious cliche statement: Football fans will watch football. All the trash talk, gimmicks and hype ruined the XFL. I'll watch the UFL out of curiosity and if I don't go blind from the grotesque uniforms, I'll keep watching. Also, stay tuned for the new USFL in the Spring. Allegedly.

Forget he can't throw for a second. Fitzpatrick may be the slowest QB that I have ever seen. Slower than Bledsoe even. I was shocked at how immobile and just downright slow he is. Full speed he looked like he was in super-slo motion. Makes sense they would be looking for a backup....in August.

I may be in the minority here but I am really hoping the Bills sign Vick. He would add another dimension to the offense. Anyone say "Wildcat"? Why not use him 10-15 plays a game? I think Vick would help any team that signs him. We could have a really explosive offense as it is, even more so with another weapon. i watched Fitzpatrick try and run, he may be even slower than Drew Bledsoe. If Edwards gets hurt, Vick would be a better option than Fitzpatrick. So there are my two reasons I am for it. Negative publicity if the Bills did sign him? Who really gives a crap? Buffalo is not highly thought of anywhere else as it is. Playoffs or bust. You know, this would be the only decade in history that the Bills did not make the playoffs if they miss this year. Got to do whatever it takes.

What a giant pile of steaming crap. If he wanted to play so F'in bad, he should have studied in school. That way he wouldn't need an agent and could have signed for whatever the offer before camp started was and he wouldn't have had to sit home and cry. If he was his own agent and loved the game so much, he would have saved 10% and probably made more than what he will eventually get in the long run. Jesus. Grow a pair buddy. Spare us the crying game. We ain't buying it.

Couple of misdemeanors. Could get a year. No record and a good lawyer, probably get community service. The cabbies lawyer, yes that's correct, is now saying it was blown out of proportion by the media. The whole thing is messed up. At minimum Kane is a bad tipper.

If the Bills/NFL didn't make garbage and sell it at a ridiculous price, this discussion would not be necessary. The white throwbacks are total crap. $80 for a lightweight mesh jersey with screenprinted name, #'s and AFL patch. I had a better quality jersey in freshman football 24 years ago. Damn. Has it been that long? Anyway, I usually don't mind the screenprinted jersey, I have a blue Posluszny throwback and it doesn't look too bad. Of course I never wash it or it would be a blank jersey like my #54 Spielman jersey from 1999. I went to camp the day after the white throwbacks were unveiled and was going to buy one until I saw how cheap they were. I knew they were $80 but figured why not? Well, they aren't worth half what they are selling for. No way I could justify spending $80 for garbage no matter how much I want a white throwback. Total disappointment. If someone wants a jersey with sewn on name & numbers and are happy with it for $34 then why the heck shouldn't they get one? I got an Authentic Blue TO throwback with sewn on name & numbers and AFL patch for $50 out of the back of some guys trunk at the flea market in Cheektowaga a month or so ago. Had all the tags, hologram and so on. Quality was a bit off- a few loose threads here and there but no big deal, they were easy enough to cut off. No way anyone can tell the difference. It will take a beating at the Ralph all season anyway so who cares? I was happy with it and I could care less where the guy got them from. Trent white TB from dhgate for $34? Sign me up. $80 from the Bills store for a rag? No way. If the quality of what the Bills/NFL sold matched the price then it would be a no-brainer.

Why didn't we draft more DB's? We are stocked at OL and LB. Didn't have needs there. I guess with the switch to the 1-1-9 defense it was imperative to load up on DB's. I suppose if they get an OLB and an OL or two after the draft it won't be so bad. Alot of people like this draft. I don't at all. Maybe in two or three years it will look better but I don't see much help there for 2009.

Pettigrew is a phenomenal blocker. If he is there at #11, the Bills better take him. Even though he is a TE, would he not make the OL better if he is as good of a blocker as they say? I think so. They have to be looking there. If not they really are a bunch of idiots. They can go LB, DE, LT in that order after that. They certainly do not need a WR and absolutely not at #11.

Roscoe is the best punt returner in the league. I would keep him just for that reason alone. Steelers draft last or almost last in every round, if the Bills are insistent on trading him and it's to Pittsburgh, I would not do it for less than a 4th and would holdout for a 3rd and if not, keep him. The difference between 3rd and 4th round is 96th or 128th. Will the Bills get someone better in a position of need with that pick and is McKelvin going to return everything plus play CB? That's what they have to figure out.

I think the Bills should go with Pettigrew at #11 unless they feel they can get him if they trade down, an OLB at #28 and then go with an OT. Whomever they draft as far as OL go, regardless of where they are drafted, they will not start this year. Bigger needs are TE and OLB. Looks like the Bills are stockpiling picks and they are not done yet. With a ton of picks, they can take some chances and a project type LT will be around later in the draft. My feeling is they will draft two or three tackles over the 7 rounds, Heck, Peters was undrafted so you never know who will turn out or be a bust, address your major needs first.

I agree, no positives. Same, tired old garbage we have seen since 2000. Only the names change. Nothing else.

The call was stupid from the get go. Jets knew it was coming. Mangini was quoted in the Buffalo News this morning as saying "Bills ALWAYS do one of two things in that situation- run right or roll out pass left and we had both covered". That play was doomed to fail even before it was called and of course with JP back there, it was doomed to cost the Bills the game.

The point is, it didn't work. Who in their right mind would have thought it would have worked to begin with besides Jauron & Schonert and they are both idiots. I could see it coming a mile away. So could the Jets. Mangini said Bills always do one of two things in that situation. Run right or roll out pass left. They had both covered. Anyone surprised JP fumbled? That's all he does is give the ball away. All they had to do was run the ball twice. punt if they don't get the 1st and play defense. If they lose, then they lose. To lose in the worst possible train wreck way, that anybody with any brain functioning at all, saw coming is ridiculous. I also heard it suggested that Jauron was trying to prove a point going back to the Cleveland game when they didn't try and get closer for the winning FG, well, bad time to prove a point and it backfired again. The bad decisions just continue. Jauron lost the NY Jets game because he lost the Cleveland game. Inexcusable. Ralph Wilson is a freakin joke. If he ever paid a real coach and hired a real GM like they had in the late 80's-90's, the 5-1 start would have us on the verge of the playoffs now because they would have beat Cleveland, probably Miami (the first time) and the NY Jets yesterday and probably would not have played as bad against Miami (the 2nd time) and SF. With good coaching and better draft/free agent decisions over the last few years, they would be 10-4 and everyone would be buying playoff tickets. Until Ralph spends on a coach & GM, it will be the same broken record that is has been every year since 2000. The final straw is Jauron allegedly signed his 3 year extension yesterday. I think Ralph is truly senile and needs to have the team taken from him and he should be sent to a home and not a good one.

When Joe Ferguson left for the Lions in 1985. The Bills wanted to bring in Dieter Brock but he turned the Bills down because they were 2-14 in 1984 and appeared to be a worse team in 1985 . They settled for Bruce Mathison & Vince Ferragamo. I remember being at the opener against San Diego and there may have been 50,000 people there. I also remember a game that year against Houston. One of their two wins. It was 33 degrees out and it rained all game. If there were 20,000 people there at the beginning of the game it was alot. There may have been 5,000 by the start of the 3rd quarter. In those days, we could leave our house in Cheektowaga at 12:15 pm and park in the first few rows in Drive One and be in our seats by 12:45pm. It was so sad, it was funny. To this day, there is no doubt in my mind, Jim Kelly saved this franchise in 1986. Hope he can somehow do it again.

8-8 or 9-7, (I think 6-10) is just not acceptable anymore. 9 straight seasons of mediocrity and excuses is enough. Fans are fed up and rightfully so. When Terrence McGee said today that after the Bills were 4-0 and the fans started talking playoffs they needed to have a muzzle put on, that says enough for me to be ticked off. After watching that garbage yesterday, that's enough for me to be ticked off. All of it is enough to start to seriously think about saving my money and walking away after being a fan for 31 years.

In the 60's at the Rockpile, the fans threw full beer cans and empty whiskey bottles at the BILLS players on more than one occasion. In the 90's, fans threw batteries at Bryan Cox and rocks, batteries, bottles and marbles at the Dolphins bus. So a few people threw empty water bottles yesterday. Big Blankin Deal. After paying hard earned money, sitting in the freezing cold rain for 3+ hours and watching that sad, pathetic display of alleged NFL football, it's a wonder somebody didn't find something harder to throw. Fans are as soft as the players these days.

Sniffing glue after dropping acid, smoking a giant bowl and eating a handful of mushrooms is a good way to forget about this disaster of a game. My question is, when you are so high you think Losman is leading the Bills anywhere, how do you actually turn on a computer, get on the net and type a coherent (albeit insanely stupid) sentence?

Turk Schonert needs to go first. He should have been canned at halftime......of the Browns game. Anyway, 2nd and goal from the SF 3. What do you do? Call two pass plays of course. Two incompletes and a missed 20 yard FG. 4th and 2 from the 4. Let's go for it! OK. What do you do? Have Losman stand in the pocket and not throw to a wide open Lee Evans. Now, that's what I call Bills football. Lynch 15 carries for 134 yards. He should have carried 30 times. Schonert is just another in a long line of pathetic OC's this team has had. I suppose it fits with the rest of the organization. As long as RW cheaps out on coaching, this team is going nowhere except maybe out of town- permanently.

All I can say is Damn. I don't blame any fan for wanting to chuck it all and find a new team. I don't blame any fan for venting and wanting blood. This season is just the worst ever. From 5-1 to 6-6. The two losses that absolutely killed the Bills were the Browns game and today. The Browns were 3-6. The 49ers were 3-8. To lose those two games at home just shows what a truly pathetic team we have. Bills beat themselves in both games. How the heck do you have the ball three times inside the opponents 10 yard line and only get 3 points? At Home. Beyond sad. Beyond pathetic. Top that off with the Jets and Patriots both losing at home today. If the coach had any guts, if the OC wasn't a giant bag of douche, if the players had any guts, if we had a kicker (all of sudden Lindell turns into Norwood), if we had a QB (Edwards looked like our guy for the next decade and he turns into Losman, who still sucks by the way) and they would be 8-4 and tied for 1st with 4 huge games coming up and a meaningful December. Instead it's just a broken record replay of the entire decade. At least the Toronto "Home" game that was taken away is meaningless. If you Torontonians want to pay to watch this garbage, good for you.

One, it's not $95 per hour for a GM worker. It's not even the $72 that's been reported, It's closer to $55. Two, how is it the worker's fault that the auto companies are in trouble? Negotiated contract and the workers just build what the genius executives tell them to build. Who wouldn't take a job at GM, Ford or Chrysler that pays $20 per hour plus benefits? Even if it's not in the auto industry, if you make less than that you would take a job making that if it were offered. Three, less than 2,000 people actually still work at GM in Tonawanda or at Ford. All the other jobs are at parts suppliers and local businesses near the plants. Still, GM and Ford closing here would have a huge economic impact in this area. It would be much worse than it already is and the domino effect would be major including a very real possibility (as it is now) of the Bills leaving Buffalo. In Detroit it would be 10x worse. They would probably lose their pro teams (Red Wings, Tigers and Pistons) and the Lions as well. Four, GM has 95,000 hourly workers left in the US. They have 475,000 retirees. That should be the other way around. Make the money here, spend it here, economic problem solved. Honestly, nobody expected people to work 25 years, retire in their late 40's and early 50's and live another 30+ years collecting a pension & benefits. Mistakes or lack of foresight 20, 30, 40 years ago are killing them now. Five, it doesn't make a difference if some of your Toyota or Honda or Subaru or Nissan is assembled in the US. Every last dime of profit goes back to Japan. Admittedly, not 100% of GM or Ford or Chrysler cars are made in the USA and hell, they don't even make a profit on any cars they sell right now but if/when they do, that money stays in the US and is put back into the economy.

Million bucks Cleveland gets the 1st down.

Useless stat of the day.... Bills are 1-7 all-time on November 17th. Make it 1-8. Browns 37 Bills 13

Let's be realistic. 5-4. Let's change the QB, OL, DL, RB, Coaching staff and the owner and do it TODAY. What's broken? Seemingly everything right now. What do they need to do? On Defense, figure out how to stop the short, underneath passing game. Figure out how to get to the QB without blitzing. Stop a freakin team in the 4th quarter. On offense, throw deep a few times. Doesn't matter if it's intercepted, doesn't matter if it's into triple coverage. Do that a few times, it backs the defense off just a bit and should open things up enough to get things going. Why not start hitting Parrish with the cheap, underneath garbage? They did it a few times yesterday and then just stopped. Figure out how to get Edwards' confidence back. Really, what needs to be done is to just go out and stomp the crap out of Brady Quinn and the Browns on Monday Night. I think they can win the next 4 if they get some things straightened out against some poor teams.

Some of the dumbest things I have ever heard in my entire life. Sure, put Losman in. Wreck Edwards for the rest of his career and toss the season down the toilet, flush it and finish 5-11. Edwards is only 25. He has started less than 20 games in his career. He hit a two and a half game rough spot. His confidence is down but let's bench him! Is it all his fault? No. Are the next four games winnable? Maybe, if the ENTIRE team gets things straightened out. The coaching staff needs to get it's act together before anything else. I have never watched a more boring game than yesterday. I have never seen a team more unable or unwilling to adjust during a game. Look at it realistically for a change. Cleveland, Kansas City, San Francisco and another shot at Miami. If they get their sh** together and show up, get the OL- especially Peters- going which will get the running game going and therefore get Edwards going again they could be 9-4 heading into the Jets game. The biggest problem, For the love of Christ, is they never throw it more than 20 yards. If Edwards is throwing picks anyways, air the thing out a couple times. Spread the D. If the D knows they aren't going deep, they can play 9 guys up and just blitz the daylights out of us and really hammer the running game as well. If I can see it, why can't the coaches?

Pats 37 Bills 6 NE passing game along with lack of a Bills pass rush is going to kill us today.