That's No Moon

They are a finesse team on both sides of the ball. Show me some 2 TE with Hawes and Alec Anderson out there beating asses. Btw, we havent seen any Anderson tackle eligible this year To put a finer point on it, they are small and also slow at a lot of key positions. Not many spots where you can look at it and honestly say they will out athlete anybody and they don't bully people around either.

The Jets would be foolish to trade several of those players. They are the Jets, but I don't think even they are that dumb. Quincy Williams or McDonald would be such huge gets. Won't happen, but it's fun to dream.

With their recent DB drafting history I'll be excited when it's time to be excited.

Pork and broccoli rabe with a nice sharp provolone is the way to go, but if you insist on a cheesesteak Cooper sharp wit is the play. And yes, Pats and Genos suck.

Which are both well above his career numbers so a regression is coming at some point.

The Mariners absolutely managed themselves out of that game. They were hell bent on using Bazardo again even though he had been overused. That home run was totally predictable. Anyway. All things Toronto can piss off. Go Dodgers.

They took a game that was 1-1 and got outworked and outshot for at least the first 11 minutes of that period and turned it into a 3-1 deficit. Yup. Pretty much the same. They scored a goal and evened up the shot count after they were down 2. Krebs shoved a guy and Thompson got himself taken off the ice when they needed a goal so I guess that makes them harder to play against. Great. Lost multiple offensive zone faceoffs in the last couple minutes when they were trying to tie it up. That seems familiar, but faceoffs don't matter. Benson I don't hate. Dahlin is still Dahlin. Whatever. FWIW you sound like the person who keeps taking their ex back who treats them like crap then tells their friends they just don't understand them and it will be totally different this time.

Like I said, I watched the third. Looked pretty much the same.

I watched the third on a whim tonight. What's drastically different?

He picked Babich over Butler (who was the DB savant) and chose wrong.

Thanksgiving? More like President's Day. Minimum. For two games. Before that the coach completely and utterly hated their compete level to the point where he said it publicly. I get it though, water to a man in the desert and all that. Well, they're almost guaranteed to have a new coach next year and they seem to have anointed the successor already so Kev is getting some work in on that front.

Marchand....suspended.

These are the offense skill players from each of the college football finalists that made some sort of reasonable impact in the NFL, compared to the equivalent Penn State players each year. As we got more recent I made some judgement calls such as including Ja'lynn Polk (based on age) but excluding John Metchie or including guys like Wayne Gallman or Clyde Edwards-Helaire who did play several years in the league with some level of production (as opposed to Metchie was did basically nothing). We can nit-pick the list. The point is that with very few exceptions the teams in the Final had MUCH more NFL level offensive skill than Penn State did. Maybe the 2016 team had more eventual NFL skill players than Clemson did, but the gap at QB was so huge between Deshaun Watson and Trace McSorley that it didn't matter. This doesn't even touch OL or defense which ignores Clemson having Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins at the same time, and all the ridiculous talent Alabama and UGA have turned out on that side of the ball over the years. Teams won without amazing NFL QBs. Nobody won without NFL level skill players. Bottom line. Franklin didn't recruit well enough to take Penn State where it wants to go. He never got an NFL caliber QB (I'm sorry, Drew Allar is terrible). Outside of Godwin, he never really had an impact NFL level WR. He had a couple TEs but TEs are generally complementary pieces. He had Saquon Barkley, sure. Look what Alabama had in Barkley's last season (2017). Recruiting is and was the name of the game. Now with the portal and NIL money and massive conference money flowing in it's more important than ever and Franklin was never good enough. 2014 Ohio State v Oregon Ohio State - Michael Thomas, Zeke Elliott, Curtis Samuel Oregon - Marcus Mariota (?) Penn State - Chris Godwin, Jesse James, Mike Gesicki 2015 Alabama v. Clemson Alabama - Calvin Ridley, OJ Howard, Derrick Henry, Kenyan Drake, Damien Harris Clemson - Deshaun Watson, Hunter Renfrow, Ray-Ray McCloud, Wayne Gallman Penn State - Chris Godwin, Saquon Barkley, Mike Gesicki 2016 Alabama v. Clemson Alabama - Calvin Ridley, Josh Jacobs, OJ Howard, Damien Harris, Jalen Hurts Clemson - Deshaun Watson, Mike Williams. Ray-Ray McLoud, Hunter Renfrow, Wayne Gallman Penn State - Chris Godwin, Saquon Barkley, Mike Gesicki, Miles Sanders 2017 Alabama v. Georgia Alabama - Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagovailoa, Damien Harris, Najee Harris, Josh Jacobs, Calvin Ridley, Jerry Jeudy, Devonta Smith, Irv Smith, Henry Ruggs Georgia - Nick Chubb, Sony Michel, DeAndre Swift, Mecole Hardman Penn State - Saquon Barkley, Mike Gesicki, Miles Sanders 2018 Alabama v. Clemson Clemson - Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne, Tee Higgins Alabama - Jalen Hurts, Tua Tagovailoa, Mac Jones, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, Jaylen Waddle, Josh Jacobs, Brian Robinson, Jr., Najee Harris, Henry Ruggs Penn State - Pat Freiremuth, Miles Sanders, Jahan Dotson 2019 LSU v. Clemson LSU - Joe Burrow, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase Clemson - Trevor Lawrence, Travis Etienne, Tee Higgins Penn State - Pat Freiremuth, Jahan Dotson 2020 Alabama v. Ohio State Alabama - Bryce Young, Mac Jones, Brian Robinson, Jr., Najee Harris, Jaylen Waddle, Devonta Smith Ohio State - Trey Sermon, Justin Fields, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Jaxson Smith-Njigba, CJ Stroud Penn State - Pat Freiremuth, Jahan Dotson 2021 Georgia v. Alabama Georgia - James Cook, Ladd McConkey, Brock Bowers, Adonai Mitchell, Darnell Washington, George Pickens Alabama - Brian Robinson, Jr., Jameson Williams, Bryce Young Penn State - Jahan Dotson 2022 Georgia v. TCU Georgia - Ladd McConkey, Brock Bowers, Adonai Mitchell, Darnell Washington TCU - Kendre Miller, Emari Demercado, Quentin Johnston Penn State - Nick Singleton, Kaytron Allen, Tyler Warren 2023 Michigan v. Washington Michigan - JJ McCarthy, Blake Corum, Roman Wilson, Colston Loveland Washington - Michael Penix, Jr., Rome Odunze, Jalen McMillan, Ja'lynn Polk Penn State - Nick Singleton, Kaytron Allen, Tyler Warren 2024 Ohio State v. Notre Dame Ohio State - Quinshon Judkins, TreyVeon Henderson, Emeka Egbuka, Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate Notre Dame - Jeremiyah Love, Mitchell Evans, Jordan Faison Penn State - Nick Singleton, Kaytron Allen, Tyler Warren

You've clearly not seen my son's varsity offense.

John Skelton

Josh Allen is the 3rd down back.

I've seen enough of the stupid backhanded ball flip.

Slay Queen, slay.

Did they play today? Didn't even occur to me to look.

I brought my son to the last playoff series they played in. He was 5. He's now 19. I appreciate this kid's frustration.

Going from #2 in the country with Championship aspirations to a place where it is very conceivable that they don't make a bowl game at all is a sure way to get fired $50M buyout or not. Franklin is perfect for somewhere like Vanderbilt or North Carolina where 7 or 8 win seasons are success. He's not been able to land enough top recruits at key positions to win against top programs. WR is a perfect example. Make a list of all the WRs who have gone to Ohio State from 2014-2025, then do the same thing for Penn State. I'll do it for you. Compare these lists and it's pretty easy to see why one team can't beat the other. You can do the same thing at QB and a host of other positions. Ohio State: Emeka Egbuka Marvin Harrison, Jr. Chris Olave Terry McLaurin Jeremiah Smith Jaxson Smith-Njigba Michael Thomas Curtis Samuel Garrett Wilson Carnell Tate Parris Campbell Penn State: Chris Godwin Jahan Dotson KJ Hamler Desean Hamilton Justin Shorter Juwan Johnson Parker Washington Keandre Lambert-Smith Mitchell Tinsley

Jordan Poyer handed us the field position to kick a game winning 60 yard field goal by doing "stupid *****"

We could have stayed put and taken Sam LaPorta who is an actual Tight End not a slow WR but they gave up pick 130 to move up. In that 5th round the Bills took Justin Shorter. Puka Nacua was on the board for that pick and also would have been on the board at 130. Whether it's Kincaid or the coaches, he hasn't been the game changing player we were sold that night.