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The 2018 NY Giants had a 1000 yard RB in Saquon Barkley, 261 carries for 1307 yards, a 5.0 YPC AVG. ODB Jr had 77 receptions for 1052 yards. Yet the 2018 Giants went 5-11. Offense in the mid teens and defense in the low 20s. Shula was replaced as OC in NY when the team hired a new HC. He has since gone on to be the Broncos QB coach. Yes, he did good with Cam Newton as his QB in Carolina. I guess my problem with the guy is that I don't want to see Josh Allen needing to be the teams leading rusher or among the leading rushing scorers anymore. I'm not saying I don't want Allen to run if needed as it can turn a defense upside down. Five passing TDs against the #2 passing defense of the Patriots in that WC playoff game. Four passing TDs against the Chiefs in that divisional playoff game. We all saw that the guy can rip a defense apart with his arm...

The Chiefs had their own problems with a rebuilt offensive line, defensive injuries. I don't know that the Chiefs faced a cover 2 shell scheme against the Buffalo Bills in a 38-20 KC loss in week 5. Or the Ravens, Chargers, Titans, Bengals who they also lost to in 2021? Mahomes was pressing and attempting to carry his team all on his* own. He was clearly struggling for the first part of 2021. You actually think that every team he faced that gave him trouble ran a cover 2 shell? Buffalo also had offensive line issues for a lot of the season. This better O line also helped Buffalo in being able to run the ball more effectively, give Josh more time in the pocket later in the season. Actually utilizing the running game with the RBs also helped the offense. For Buffalo, that cover 2 shell was kryptonite and Daboll couldn't figure out how to defeat it. The Bills/Allen came alive in the second half of that Tampa bay game. Quite a bit of that was all Josh Allen. I also think that McD read Daboll the riot act at that time, or a well placed boot. Nevertheless, shortly after the Bills started running the ball more with the RBs. Previously, I kept reading in this forum how the team needed a RB, needed better O line players. All that talk suddenly stopped after that Bucs game. Tell me again it was Daboll and not Allen...as that young QB played near two perfect playoff games! I do believe it was more Allen!

This! I simply can't watch the NFL network this week, or ESPN. The Bills were mostly injury free and Josh Allen was playing on "unicorn" level above everyone else. This coaching staff screwed it up this season in many ways. From the offense scoring 6 points against a 30th ranked defense of the 2-6 Jacksonville Jaguars. (This game still haunts me almost as much as the 13 seconds.) To allowing the Patriots to win IN Buffalo 10-14 on MNF. That supposed vaunted Buffalo #1 defense that held the Colts to a mere 41 points and allowed a RB to go 32 for 185, 4 TDs. Oh, but if we stack the box we should be able to keep the same players on the field... Nobody on that Buffalo coaching staff thought that KC would be able to move close enough to get a FG in 13 seconds...they learned. You would think that they would know from playing Tom Brady so many times. Not covering Kelce, Hill but covering the sidelines... Josh Allen and Buffalo Bills fans deserved better...as KC fans rejoice in the 13 seconds.

I don't think I did, and I think I made fair points. Firstly, I doubt any new hire of OC for any NFL team comes in and changes the entire scheme. Simply doesn't happen. They usually go with the teams playbook and install plays that they would like to see run. They may tweak it one way or another to run it the way they want. They also usually need to run any changes by the head coach first. The only guy that might make an overall change to a teams offensive scheme would be a new HC hire and usually only if that particular offense has been failing or he if feels he doesn't have the proper personnel to run it. My main point was I'd rather see a bright new mind come in and run an offense that he can make an offense work in all situations. Over some guy that has run the scheme previously... but hasn't been very good at it. Brian Daboll with his 8 years of experience as an NFL OC and he couldn't figure out how to defeat a cover 2 shell? Took him most of the season to figure out how to get the run game working too. Even then, most of the latter seasons offensive explosion was mostly Josh Allen making that offense work. His unique running ability to get first downs opened up quite a bit of the Buffalo offense.

I do. You just explained how a new OC would have input into his job in Buffalo using that "Buffalo Bills offensive playbook". Like a Frank Reich type OC who builds an offense around his players. What I didn't do was suggest the Bills hire a new OC who would change the entire playbook/scheme. Obviously, the Bills would not want a Greg Roman type OC either. You know, not like what Rex Ryan did in Buffalo to that best D line in the league. Instead of asking them to keep doing what they had been doing. He changed the scheme to fit his ideas...of dropping the Bills pass rushers into coverage or asking them to eat up blockers so the crappy Bills LBers could attempt to make a play. Merely suggesting an offense that Josh Allen doesn't need to be the leading rusher, second leading rushing scorer. Looked to me like a lot of teams had caught up to Buffalo's offense at the start of the season.

That really depends on if Ken Dorsey stays or not IMO. While someone like Mike Schula might know that scheme and has run it before. Who is to say the guy would be successful in Buffalo, even with a unicorn the Bills have at QB. He stunk with the NY Giants in 2018-2019, with Eli Manning (and that was with a healthy Saquon Barkley) / Daniel Jones as his QBs. Don't know that the Bills should be as concerned with keeping the scheme over finding a top OC replacement.

I realize that. Just saying, someone from that coaching tree. Shanahan/McVay-WCO tree. Like I said, Josh is a very, very bright guy. Wonderlic, 37. I think it would be good for him to learn other offenses.

I wasn't a fan of drafting Najee Harris. Now that I've watched him play for Pittsburgh, I kinda wish we had. Devin Singletary is good enough. The Bills have other glaring needs.

To be honest I wouldn't mind changing schemes a bit. Like, Green Bay, Matt LaFleur. "Scheme: LaFleur is from the Shanahan/McVay-WCO tree. Heavy use of motion, PA, and RPOs in the passing game and a wide zone run game." Josh Allen has shown he is a very, very bright young man and capable of learning something new. Aaron Rodgers went from 6-9-1 in 2018 under McCarthy to 13-3 in LaFluer's first year. Since 2019, 13-3, 13-3, 13-4.

"Scheme: Daboll is influenced by Josh McDaniels’ Erhardt-Perkins style offense which he's modified to be multiple (borrows plays from several other concepts) and opponent specific. It's a spread offense with lots of different formations, pre-snap motion, and Play Action (abbreviated as PA as we continue). Run blocking utilizes multiple schemes (Zone, Gap, Duo)." https://fantasydata.com/all-32-nfl-coaching-schemes-for-the-2021-season Interesting stuff. We don't want a Greg Roman scheme! Matt Nagy: Scheme: Nagy uses a variant of the KC/Reid-WCO but does not tailor to the talent on the roster. Nagy wants to spread the field and run RPO’s. Outside zone runs and PA bootlegs were a staple last year with Lazor calling plays, but if they go shotgun spread this year, the inside zone should return (what Nagy called in 2019).

Go be a Giants fan then... I was commenting on the current situation of that team...and even you agreed with it. It is funny.

The comment you quoted that I made was..."What a tough place to be a head coach!" I stand by my comment, because it is... Funny stuff as someone mentioned, "They need a rebuild, they are in terrible cap situation for a lousy team."

Yes, and while Parcells was first time HC with a legend for his DC. He also had George Young as GM. Coughlin had 8 years exp as HC. Daboll is a rookie HC with a rookie GM, both taking over a franchise that hasn't had a winning season for 5 years. 3-13, 5-11, 4-12, 6-10, 4-13. Bottom of the division for awhile now. Currently 31st ranked offense in 2021. Defense 20th or so. Tell me about how the last two NY Giants head coaches did, Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur...

Buffalo went to 4 super bowls. Granted the Giants won 4 and lost one under Jim Fassel. Bill Parcells won 2x of those with Bill Belichick as his DC. Tom Coughlin 2x had a decent tenure with the Jags (8 seasons) as their HC before getting hired as the Giants HC

Buh Bye Brian...not lyin, I'm not cryin... What a tough place to be a head coach!

If Dorsey stays in Buffalo...Daboll will have an excuse as to why he failed. If I'm not mistaken Kirby Jackson let it slip that Daboll was one of the highest paid coordinators in the NFL a few years ago. It was rumored he got a raise last season.

Guess we'll see. Josh Allen stated he really like Dorsey and I have difficulty in believing that someone would turn down the offer to run Buffalo's offense with Allen over the NY Giants with Daniel Jones...under Daboll...

Dorsey will be the Bills new OC. I gotta wonder how long Daboll will last with the Giants when he doesn't turn Daniel Jones into another Josh Allen? Guess we'll see. 😝

While I think that Miami is an option for Daboll. I wonder if he really wants to face the Bills and Patriots 2x a season. The NY Giants are looking at both Daboll and Frazier...who knows. Denver and Chicago out of the Picture, Houston, Jacksonville, Raiders, Miami, Giants, Minnesota, NO Saints.

At this point I'm still trying to figure out which assistant I dislike more... Frazier and his effed up defense for those 13 seconds... in rushing four and having the secondary concerned about the sidelines. Meanwhile Hill, Kelce run free. What bother me most is the Bills know how to stop Mahomes from passing as they did in 2021 where KC ran all over them. Dime defense and cover the receivers in making the Chiefs run the ball. They have no excuses for this royal Eff up. I'm hoping Frazier gets hired by some team. OTOH, had the Bills been able to muster an offense against the Patriots in that wind storm, score more than 6 points against the Jags. More than 16 points against the Steelers in the opener. 13 wins would have given the Bills home field and a bye. It won't hurt at all to see a guy get hired away. The Bills have a good RB and a decent O line...finally! I wonder why it took most of the season to find them? While Singletary looks to be more then enough to help this offense score. I just can't imagine how good that run game would be with Najee running the ball... What we saw was the that the Bills are short on solid backups for the O line and we don't know if C Mitch Morse will be back for 2020. Better LT, OG backups are needed too. While Levi Wallace played well this season. I gotta think the Bills will still be making moves to find his replacement again. A supreme pass rusher would certainly help the defense. Lastly, is Star gonna be back for 2022? I'm thinking Beane is going to be working overtime to improve this team this offseason.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2022-nfl-free-agency-rankings-edge-defenders 1. Chandler Jones 2. Vonn Miller 3.Clowney 4. Randy Gregory 5. Emmanuel Ogbah 6. Melvin Ingram 7. Haanson Reddick Last season the Bills missed on JJ Watt as he chose the money and Arizona. Good thing too as he only played in 7 games with ONE SACK in 2021 Chandler Jones had 10.5 sacks for the Cards and played in 15 games. 10 years in the NFL. Khalil Mack played in 7 games too and had 6 sacks. New HC is a defensive minded guy in Colts DC Matt Eberflus. Kinda doubt he will want to give up one of his best pass rushers. The guys hasn't had double digit sacks since 2018, 12.5 sacks, 2019 8.5 sacks, 2020, 9 sacks, 2021, 6 sacks. Also, please stop with this idea of obtaining an oft injured RB. The guy is an over paid bust in NY, so lets leave him there! The Rams gave up a 2nd and 3rd round pick plus Denver are a chunk of his contract, 9 mill. 17 mill per...is he worth that now as 6th best edge? On another note, didn't the Buffalo Bills pay 100 mill to DE Mario Williams and have the #1 pass rush, best D line in the league in 2014? 9-7...

Everyone thinking Aaron Rodgers now to Denver...John Elway have a hand in this I wonder? Denver is not the only team looking for a top QB. Saints, NY Giants (with Daboll as HC?) or the Pittsburgh Steelers...Or If Daboll takes the Miami job he goes after Rodgers...

Leave those to Baker Mayfield... Josh has bigger fish

I know, he sucks. Still, another poster was gloating about how good the guy was in 2017 going 10-6 under Hackett as OC. Then, the very next season fell on his face. My point was, Hackett didn't develop Bortles into even a decent backup QB and was promptly fired by the guy whos coattails he was riding in the first place. My take is that Packers HC Matt LaFleur must be laughing himself silly over the prospect of Hackett becoming an NFL HC.

I agree. GB HC Matt LaFluer wanted a figurehead as OC who wouldn't get in his way while he ran the offense. Gonna be interesting.