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Dunno. I'll be interested to see if I'm in the ballpark though.

yep

If it's something like Tyrod & Cordy then maybe the rest is just a pick swap. Something like Washington gets Tyrod, Glenn, and our later 1st Buffalo gets Cousins and their 3rd wouldn't be awful.

Indeed! Unless it's South. Then you need to hang a right eventually.

If you walk/swim due east long enough you actually end up in Buffalo!

Yes. And I think the point Transplant is attempting to make is that an overthrow isn't necessarily uncatchable (like 10 yards OoB or 15 yards downfield). It was overthrown, but potentially within reach (if we still had Sammy )

Agreed. And my point was in defense of Cousins if that wasn't clear. Over that same span NO is 1/6 when their D finished 25th or worse, but 4 of those 6 years they were 31st or 32nd. Point being, nobody consistently wins when their D is that bad (Bottom 8). ~0.500 is pretty much what you get no matter who your QB is (unless it's Brady/Rodgers). And neither Brady, nor Rodgers have had to deal with a D that bad very often.

He was hired before Dorsey. Probably isn't safe.

Pocket Passers are just as likely to get hurt. Look at the List this year: Carson Palmer (1.65 runs per game) Aaron Rodgers (3.52) Andrew Luck (4.09) Deshaun Watson (5.14) Ryan Tannehill (2.81) Sam Bradford (1.80) Jameis Winston (3.07) Derek Carr (1.98) Marcus Mariota (3.53) Jay Cutler (2.54) Carson Wentz (3.79) Tyrod Taylor (6.52) Josh McCown (2.54) 3 of the 13 run more than 4 times a game on average. 6 of the 13 (still less than half) run 3.5 times or more.

So you're going to ignore that the QBs that have run more than anyone else in recent history haven't really been injured much? You're clinging to players from 5+ years ago to prove your false narrative? Show me comparisons of QBs who missed games and how often they run. I highly doubt it will show what you are attempting to portray. If you want to steer clear of athletic QBs because they are inferior passers, that's fine. Don't hide behind this guise of injury rate though.

Taylor has missed 3 games in 3 years. (2nd most attempts in that span) Wilson hasn't missed a game as a pro as far as I know (3rd most attempts in last 3 years) Newton you've already conceded (Most attempts in the past 3 years) Next after that seem to be Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but both are over 65 attempts behind the first 3.

The larger issue, to me anyway, seems to be QBs that don't run well trying to run. The guys that are mobile have enough practice that they rarely take big shots or get hurt because of it.

3.43 runs per game. Less than all those I listed.

Honestly, I didn't even notice.

There are 10 QBs in the league that average 4+ runs per game. Newton Wilson Taylor Kizer Watson Wentz Gabbert Beathard Brissett Smith Of that group, Taylor missed a game and Watson & Wentz are out. Anyone else I missed?

Rams went from 15 to 1, no?

We are 6th in yards, 5th in attempts, and 13th in YPC. Last year we were 1st in yards (By over 200 yards), 2nd in attempts, and 1st in YPC (by 0.4!) We are averaging 1.1 YPC less this year than we did last year.

I cannot express the importance of proper spelling and grammar enough when you're trying to insult someone else's intelligence...

Mediocrity?

Green Bay's D has been ranked 25th or worse twice since 2008 (2011 & 2013). They made the playoffs both years. In '11 they went 15-1, in '12 they went 8-7-1 (23-8-1 Overall). New England's D has been ranked 25th or worse once since 2008 (2011). They went 13-3. Atlanta's D has been ranked 25th or worse 4 times since 2008 (2008, 2013, 2014, and 2016). They made the playoffs 2 of the 4 years. In '08 and '16 they went 11-5, in '13 they went 4-12, and in '14 they went 6-10 (32-32 Overall). KC's D has been ranked 25th or worse 3 times since 2008 (2008, 2009, 2012). They have not made the playoffs when their D is that bad. In '08 and '12 they went 2-14, and in '09 they went 4-12 (8-40 Overall). Indy's D has been ranked 25th or worse 3 times since 2008 (2011, 2012, 2016). They made the playoffs one of those 3 years. In '11 they went 2-14, in '12 they went 11-5, and in '16 they went 8-8 (21-27 Overall). I went with '08 because it was when Ryan came into the league. Even the worst of the teams you listed haven't been that bad more often than not, and only 2 of them have winning records when their Defense ranks that low, and 1 breaks even. Nobody is saying Cousins is Brady, Rodgers, or Peyton. That's a complete strawman. But to blame him for Washington's record is silly.

Yes, at least based on what I could decipher from ESPN's playoff machine. If the Ravens lose to the Colts and the Chargers lose to the Jets, then week 17 is win and you're in.

Who exactly is overcoming 25th or worse defenses with any regularity?

Much like the Bills in 2015 and 2016, Cousins and the Washington O had to battle to overcome mediocre at best defensive play. The difference has been that Washington's O was predicated on the Pass, vs Buffalo's on the Run. 2015 DVOA: Washington O - 12th Washington Pass O - 6th Washington Run O - 32nd Washington D - 21st Buffalo O - 9th Buffalo Pass O - 12th Buffalo Run O - 2nd Buffalo D - 24th 2016 DVOA: Washington O - 5th Washington Pass O - 5th Washington Run O - 4th Washington D - 25th Buffalo O - 10th Buffalo Pass O - 18th Buffalo Run O - 1st Buffalo D - 27th

He is a round peg for the dink and dunk hole though. And he's spent a lot of time under Reid, who is clearly respected by McD.

FWIW, we were 27th last year per FO's site. The 5 teams behind us were 28 Niners, 29 Colts, 30 Browns, 31 Saints, and 32 Lions. The 5 teams ahead of us were 26 Falcons, 25 Redskins, 24 Titans, 23 Bears, and 22 Raiders. Packers were 20th, Dolphins were 19. I'd say that adds validity to DVOA, honestly. 4 of the 5 you said were worse were ranked below us, and the 5th was 1 rank above us.