Billsfan1972

Yes we get it when both teams throw for 300 yards one wins and one loses (unless a tie). Only you are so smart to figure it out. You can't use the losses in games where both QBs were successful and threw for over 300.

Again it's the eye test and not complicated. 300 yards passing is good, 150 is almost never. When a team has to defend a qb and offense capable of 30+ points and moving the ball through the air that puts a lot of pressure on the defense. Heck I bet Washington is thinking if they put up 20 points they could win. When I posted about this not being an elite defense others pointed out that even elite ones put up clunkers...... The Bills offense is so bad at this point that they can't even have an accidental 300 yard game. Pathetic. And what of they do catch up and then still lose? Bills have been blown out an inordinate amount of games under McDermott and still can't make it to 300.

Great post, bit it's all about defense according to some and the coaching staff.

And what a statistician would do is remove only the losses

Geez how many times have I parsed the 2019 300 yard games to show how that throwing for 300 often means close losses when the other qb too threw for 300 (or not), in addition to needing 300 to win a tight game or resulted in a close loss?

Missed where you compiled games where both QBs threw for 300 and games decided by less then a TD? Wins and losses and addition is pretty simple to do. As stated if Allen is not the answer I want to know sooner rather then later. The issue to me is coaching and that is the problem. Remember Brady threw for 505 in the Superbowl and lost so 300 is meaningless........ Oh and last year's defensive struggle was infinitely more fun to watch.

Pretty pathetic actually.....

I broke down the 2019 #'s for 300 yard passers and games where the result was less then 7 points. I then showed where both QBs threw for 300. How about taking those he's and breaking them down further if I am so wrong. And math and stats is what I do all day every day too. An actuary too if that matters. Bills fan is why I'm here however.

I don't think any one who continues to debate here is doing so to protecting Allen. They are protecting The Process & McD who has coached 40 games for the Bills & not had a QB throw for 300 yards. Last I checked 8 weeks into the season only Pittsburgh (Big Ben injured) and the dumpster fire Miami (who did throw for 272 vs. Buffalo) are the only teams this year outside Buffalo who haven't.

Agreed and say it over & over, that we need to see this Offense play for 4 quarters. The OC I think is terrible, the overall coaching philosophy & the play between the 20's & no mistakes football has gone the way of the dodo...... I want to see what the Bills have in Allen & have no confidence that this staff is doing the job.

Have we seen the Bills play a single game with 4 quarters of good offensive football since he's been here?

And the Bills do it without too much success...... And please don't point to the 5-2 record. This is about 300 yard games.

No it isn't, see posts above. NO, KC, GB..... MEH.... 17-14 is the way to go...... Biulls won too 14-7 so there, it does work......?

I did that already & showed the details but it is beyond Billsfan1959's ability to grasp those stats & I also broke down winning & losing by games decided by 7 points or less.

I appreciate a fair post. We can debate poor ints, bad sacks & fumbles too, but then we'd get bogged down. There also too was that coaching adage that said Three Things Can Happen When You Pass and Two of Them Are Bad, which today is really just scoffed at (though not sure that McD may not agree with it)... As for throwing for over 300 & losing, I too don't disagree to a point. We have so many on here who believe "The Process" and seem okay with losing, however building for the future & this 5 year plan..... If that is the case, to me having the QB in place is the most important facet & the quicker the Bills know whether it is Allen (or not) means to me seeing him throw for 300+, play great offense for 4 quarters & if that means losing 38-35, that may be the best thing to happen to the Bills. Again you can believe that every game can be won 17-13 and be defense first, but I can'tg stand those games & that hjas been the Bills mantra for the past 2.5 seasons & I don't particularly like it.

No they'll tell you Brady threw for 505 & lost to the Eagles..... They're too smart to debate with.....?

And in 2019 outside Buffalo, the only teams without a 300 yard passer are Pittsburgh (on their 3rd or 4th qb) & Miami..... Great company.....?

I pointed out the record 37-33 & the one tie (where both threw for 300).... I then further broke it down. I will again argue that when both throw for 300 and decided by less then a touchdown one can not blame the losing QB can they?

I'll wave the white flag because you have proved yourself incapable of reading a post or logical thinking. I have stated over & over that I want to see the offense play 4 quarters of offense (not just the 4th). I have stated over and over that I do like Allen, think he will be a very good player & blame most of the offensive shortcomings on the coaching staff and philosophy, but won't be sure until I see that 300 yard game, multiple games where he plays well for 4 quarters and see games where we consistently score high 20's-30's. I'd love to win a shootout. Brady was not the anointed one back then, was a 6th round pick thrown in only because of a season ending injury and was only a game manager. By season 2 he was the bonafied starter and had 3 300 yard games & 28 TDs vs. 14 ints.....

Riddle me this..... Name 1 who hasn't thrown for 300 yards?? I'll answer it for you..... There has not been a single one......

Billsfan1959 just refuses to evaluate or see anything meaningful about 300 yard games. Sure he thinks Rodgers, Brees, Brady & Mahomes.... only throw to pad #'s too..... Now to your last point.... If Allen had thrown for 300 yards in many of their wins, the Bills in all likelihood would not have needed to come back in the 4th..... And remember I'm a Allen supporter, think he has the ability and skills to be the franchise QB & have placed 70% (or more) blame on the OC, the overall coaching philosophy & the lack of offensive personnel.

Read it again.... I broke down all the 300 yard games this year, how many resulted in games decided by a TD or less, where both threw for 300 and losing QB's throwing for 300 where the result was a close game & that means nothing? Let me guess to you the only meaningful stat was Matt Schaub throwing for 450 and the game was not close? You're a lost cause.

And this defense is Elite & on par with that Baltimore Defense from what some were stating a few weeks ago. Yes it is a lost cause as i just broke down the stats to show that 300 yard games were thrown in many games decided by less then a TD (both ways) and still some people don't grasp that it is a stat that correlates to competitive games & wins almost always. These people seem to be completely mesmerized by McDermott's defensive & ball control mantra.

So here is the 2019 to date records based on 300 yard passing games 37 W 33 L & 2 T (Week one Stafford & Murray). Now the interesting stat 14 of the losses were in games where the winning QB too threw for over 300 yards. Here is where some of you need a refresher course..... When both QB's throw for 300 yards, it means that they needed to score points and passing yards were important & thus loss was not really due to the team throwing for 300, but the other team throwing for over 300...... For example Week 1 bother Keenum & Wentz threw for over 300 in a 32-27 game. Yes Keenum lost, but throwing for 300 resulted in a close game..... The only tie had both Murray & Stafford over 300, without 300 one would have I bet lost the game. Of the 14 losses where both threw for 300, 9 were decided by less then a TD. Of the 23 300 yard passing game where only the winning QB threw for that amount, 10 won by less then a TD, which tells me 300 was very important to help win the game. Of the 19 losses where only the losing QB threw for 300. 13 lost by less then a TD..... Which says that throwing for over 300 kept them in the game and a game that was decided by less then one possession. So to say 300 (and yes I use this as an arbitrary # that has been used throughout the year as a measure) isn't important is just wrong!!!!!

Yep 1 takes the monkey off their back (Bills Coaching Staff & McD), from there I then want to see multiple games where we can rely on Allen to be the catalyst for the team and scoring in the high 20's-30;'s......,