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Agree, I've been saying that for awhile now myself.

As I stated further in that thread, And related it to other similar threads, the issue is the trade off of who to dress for the 46. Duke gives the Bills something they don’t have on the 46, and I questioned whether Roberts ST contribution was worth it? I agreed with another poster in the thread that the trade off is probably more appropriately focused on foster or McKenzie.

It’s apparent you didn’t read through the entire thread.

Thanks, just saw this on wsj.com, though they called it a "limited" deal, which is what I essentially described it as.

Not smoke and mirrors, but it's not much different than the last time Trump said he had a deal. The real issues haven't been addressed in Trump's agreement. And, according to the WSJ, that's all it is for now--Trump's agreement, as China says it hasn't reached a deal. Go ahead, though, believe whatever he tweets....

This "deal" is for show, mostly. You buy farm products, we'll reduce or hold off some tariffs. A few more weeks until election year...

@Deranged Rhino, maybe you should re-name your deep state thread... You can't reform a government that's simply a reflection of concentrated economic power, whether it's the MIC-security state, Wall Street, big tech and pharma, you name it. The rules of this world are made by those who wield economic power, and the rest of us are forced to live by their rules. but, yeah sure, it's liberals and pc culture that are the problem....

According to Spotrac, the Bills are projected to have the 4th most cap space ($90 mil) in 2020 behind Miami, Indy, and Tampa.

They are going to beat the Patriots.

Dr, I may need this on the PPP board, is the possessive Keynes' or Keynes's? Also, take heart that you're not a Jets fan.....

@atlbillsfan1975 I always liked Blackies (very close to ML) which is more of a dive bar, but it's been awhile since I've been. Check out the Crab Cooker for seafood.

I think Eric Wood nails it in his weekly piece on OBD: Until Allen starts hitting those deep balls, it's going be very difficult on the rest of the offensive scheme. In other words, maybe Daboll deserves some blame, but Allen has made his job very difficult...

Shirley, you can't be serious...?

Yes, he didn't have a lot of time, but he did on some key deep ones. They probably win that game if he hits one of Smoke or Foster. Beasely's was inches off down the sideline. There may have been one more...? To beat good teams, you have to make (some of) those plays when you get the opportunities.

These threads (this one, Roberts, Duke, and others) show the Bills still have some work to do on the roster. They have some weaknesses that are exposed against good teams. Despite that, they still had a good chance to win that game.

Yes, Dalton will be fired up to get his charity some $$....

I would agree with your take, for the most part. If you read my post as blaming Roberts, then you've misinterpreted it. His contribution has been on ST, not offense, and that is the trade-off I'm looking at--giving up something on ST to get more on O. However, where I'm in agreement is your point that it may be Foster where the real decision lies? It's not a bitchfest. The issue is the Bills need a big-bodied WR, and if they want one on the 46, then they have a decision to make. I think @Rochesterfan probably has the right take.

The issue isn't about Roberts himself, it's the trade off on the decision for the 46. Roberts is strictly a return man. In 11 games he has 2 catches for 13 yards. He is in the top 4 in kickoff return average; however, I'm not certain he has given the Bills a significantly different starting position than not returning the kick? One alternative is dressing Duke to provide a big sure-handed WR. He has 6 catches (on 7 targets) in 3 games and a game-winning TD. Yes, he doesn't have the speed or the separation, but his separation is his size, and his stats show he's more valuable on O than Roberts. So, In an ideal world, the Bills would have both on the 46, but they have to make a choice. Some of you may think it's a clear choice; I don't, which was the point of my post. Btw, This Is also the the reason there's a Duke thread going again.

You can't have those key drops AND those missed deep throws against good teams. They could've won this game.

Any idea if the average drive start on kickoffs is significantly different from the 25? Again, I"m not criticizing Roberts, I'm just not sure he provides enough value for a guy who is turning out to be a return specialist only?

I don't think you'll find that I've been pining for Duke. I simply think the return game is not good enough to take advantage of Roberts, and that they would be better off with having a big body WR on the 46 rather than a return specialist.

You'll note I said "return game." The Ravens took the ball all day at the 25, and the Bills would've been better off doing the same. Roberts has added nothing on O, and the return game isn't good enough to take advantage of his skills. They will definitely add someone next year who can be more flexible.

Something I've been thinking about and today confirms it for me. The Bill's return game isn't good enough to waste a spot dressing Roberts. I believe they'd be better off dressing Duke.

Sorry for your loss. 66 is too young....

Based on a survey of the defenders who've tried to tackle him....he has a blue ox too...but it's really a buffalo.