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It's sad that the question is which will make the playoffs first, not which will win a championship first. The bar in Buffalo is low.

A whole lot of obvious missed plays and poor ball placement on short and intermediate throws. Let me explain about the missed plays. Every quarterback misses plays after things break down. That's not what I'm talking about. Taylor just flat out didn't get the ball out on a lot of plays. When and when he should've gone with the ball was obvious. They should've been "bang, bang, ball is ou"t. But far too often he'd just hold it. That had to be frustrating for the team.

I totally understand not wanting to take a step back at the QB position. That's definitely valid. The problem is the contract. If his option is picked up, then Taylor is a well paid Bill for at least 2-3 seasons. I don't see how a team picks up such a substantial option and then immediately undermines him by taking a QB high in the draft. That would get ugly in a hurry.

The comment about the All-22 and watching him live is spot on. I was in the fence until I saw Taylor live. Against the Browns no less. That was all it took for me to be 100% certain that the Bills have to move on and find an upgrade.

None of that is true. To use your parlance, YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SUCKS, BRO! I stated clearly that I posted the figures for how his salary would average on a yearly basis depending upon how many years he would remain a Bill under that deal. That post was in response the the assertion that his extension was for an average salary of $15M. I was pointing out that the $15M average was low regardless how long he would play under that deal and that it could be substantially more if he was very short term. Here's the breakdown with the math. If Taylor was kept through the 2017 season he'd cost $30.75M ($15.5M Option Bonus + $12M base salary + $3.25M of his 2018 salary fully guarantee on 3/11/2017). If he was kept through the 2018 season his average salary would be $20.25M ($30.75M + remaining $9.75M of 2018 salary which guarantees on 3rd league day of 2018 season = $40.5M total. $40.5M/2 = $20.25M) If he's kept through 2019 his average salary would be $18.0M ($40.5M + $13.6M = $54.1M total. $54.1M/3=$18.0M) Kept through 2020 his ave salary would be $17.0M ($54.1M + $13.85M = $67.95M. $67.95M/4=$17M) Kept through 2021 his ave salary would be $16.5M ($67.95M + $14.55 = $82.5M. $82.5M/5=$16.5M) Hopefully this is obvious enough for you.

A big problem with rookie WRs is that they usually take at least a season to get comfortable with the NFL game (if they ever do). Finding two serviceable - or better - WRs in FA is a must. Then add to that where you find value in the draft.

Feel free to work out the numbers yourself and show me what you got.

I used raw numbers moving forward starting this season. Only money paid and money that becomes guaranteed this season forward in my calculations. Everything in my post is correct.

It'd be great, but Allen should be the second player drafted this year. No way does he get close to 10 unless some heretofore unknown major issue rears its ugly head.

I'd have zero problem with OJ Howard becoming a Bill.

Both. I factored guaranteed dollars into the season they became guaranteed. Non-guaranteed money is factored into the season it would be earned. The only difference is $3.25M of his 2018 salary guarantees this season if his option is picked up. That's the only contract money that is guaranteed in a season in which it isn't paid. This would be true of almost every situation like this, but it appears that there is a clause in his contract that requires his release by the team rather than just becoming a free agent when his option is not picked up. Details are sketchy so I'm not sure, but there are reports that this is the case.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ At no point would Taylor's extension be that cheap. He starts off very, very expensive and then the yearly average compensation drops off, but never gets that low. Here is a quick breakdown: Year 1 - $30.75M Year 2 - $20.25M/yr Year 3 - $18.0M/yr Year 4 - $17.0 M/yr Year 5 - $16.5M/yr Disclaimer: Those compensation averages are not the same as the yearly cap hits and do not include the signing bonus paid to Taylor in 2016. The obvious problem with this contract is that a team would have to committed to having Taylor as their long term starter to make the deal close to worthwhile. Add draft pick compensation to that and nobody is trading for Taylor.

Middle of the pack last season, but a tick above if injured and suspended players are included. With all of the FAs and uncertainty moving forward at some important positions I'd say they're a little below average right now. Obviously that could change with re-signings and new additions.

I do know that a bunch of Pegulas' people were touring breweries in an obvious "we're starting a brewery of our own" fashion. I expect that this will be the location for it. Would be a nice thing to have near not only Key Center, but also a new football stadium.

First, thanks for sharing what you heard and starting a thread on a worthwhile topic (which are pretty rare right now). Last year I caught a related tidbit about the Browns as one anonymous player noted that there was more coaching done at the first practice under Hue Jackson than there had been by the previous 3 coaching regimes combined. That says a lot about why they have been so bad for so long. I really hope McD and his staff are the right kind of coaches and do well here.

The original post, number 3 specifically discusses a draft day trade of Taylor. That's why I responded to that in number 3 of my post. Taylor isn't interested in renegotiating with the Bills because he'd rather be able to negotiate with all 32 teams instead of just 1 if the Bills don't pick up his option. Besides, there's always the chance that they'll pick it up anyway.

The trade window opens for the trade to actually happen when the new league year starts, but teams can negotiate trade parameters for players that will be under contract prior to that. The only snag is that it is a moot point since no other team will take on Taylor's contract.

I'm guessing it's one thread for every poster who has a question or theory about the QB situation, but doesn't bother to look at any existing thread.

I was specifically addressing the OPs scenario of TT being traded during the draft. And I also noted that no team is interested in TT with his current contract.

1) No team will trade for Taylor with his existing contract. 2) Dallas may get something for Romo, but will likely end up having to take a lesser pick or outright release him. They sure aren't getting a 2nd rounder for him at this point. His salary and injury history make him a huge risk. I'd look elsewhere. 3) Whaley wanted to see what they had in Jones and he wanted Taylor on the bench where he couldn't get injured. Don't read more into the situation than that. I do agree that they need to keep bringing him along. 4) WR should absolutely be in play at 10. 5) Agree. Finding a RT in FA is a necessity. It's a very weak draft for offensive tackles. 6) It'll be interesting to see what McD does with this defense. Retaining or replacing Gilmore is likely very important. 7) Health is always important, but building depth helps weather injuries. Finding a franchise caliber QB sure helps too. I don't think it should be Romo or Taylor, but they sure need to try to find one.

Correct. Option bonus of $15.5M would add to his dead cap of $2.85M ($18.35M total) if he was traded after the bonus was paid, but prior to season. It'd be pretty ridiculous to pay him an extra $15.5M just to trade him. Not gonna happen.

I agree. I'm sure the issue for the Bills isn't cap allocation. That's just Taylor's agent playing the game. If the Bills were sold on Taylor being their guy for 3+ seasons, then it's a decent contract. If he's there 1-2 seasons, then it's terrible. In addition to the $30.75M in guarantees this season another $9.75M guarantees on the 3rd day of next season. $40.5M over 2 seasons is nuts for Taylor. --------------------------------------------- --- GriffBr1 wrote: If the guaranteed money is still $31 mil there is no way the Bills are going for that. Now, they may be trying to re-work the deal so they can spread the $31 out over several years, but why would TT do that? I guess you have to look at a total guaranteed payout of five ro six years and go from there. Is it better to re-work the deal or stand firm so you get released. It will be interesting. ---------------------------------------------

I feel ya, bro. Born and raised in Cleveland, then spent a fair bit of time living in Columbus before coming back to Cleveland. Then out to Buffalo 4.5 years ago. No one can call us front runners.

Agreed.