Kirby Jackson

That’s good to know. It’s such an important position in the McDermott defense. I would love for him to develop because he has the athletic ability to be quite good. The Bills need some insurance though at S either way.

I hope that you’re right. He may be. I don’t think that they can count on that though. If he develops, awesome. It should be a bonus.

The Bills need to improve the DL and secondary. The Bills ALSO need to find a receiver(s) that can stretch the field vertically. I think that the stat is that only 2 teams saw less 2 high than the Bills. Allen and Cook were forced to operate against an extra defender in the box because they couldn’t get the safeties away from the LOS because of the lack of a vertical passing game. Imagine how many more points they could have scored? Everybody eats until they don’t. The offense worked fine until it didn’t. They don’t have lots of holes on offense but they have a giant one that they couldn’t overcome.

I agree that Hamlin is a role player and Bishop looked lost. He may develop but they certainly can’t bank on it. I wanted McKinney last year in FA. I wish that would have happened. I like Holland. Nick Emmanwori is one of my draft crushes but I’m hoping to have that pick sent to Garrett. If he somehow made it to pick 56 you should run to the podium.

It sounds like he thought he’d be on the Bills 🤷🏻‍♂️

If you believe McDermott is more responsible for the team success than Josh, we disagree. If you think that McDermott will be more responsible than Josh for a title (god willing) we disagree again. I’m basing any and every decision based on what Josh needs to get by KC not what McDermott wants or needs.

I’m more or less in agreement (assuming that guy can stretch the field vertically). I’d like a precise route runner too but if that guy is the right one, I’m good.

The Bills scored more points than anyone. The offense still isn’t good enough. Both of those are true. The offense has some clear holes and allows defenses to defend them too easily. They need to improve.

It’s a great topic and one that we need to discuss. I’d add Beane too. I thought about starting a poll “if the Bills fall short of the Super Bowl should Beane and McDermott be fired?” I’m on record that I thought McDermott should have been gone by now. I’ve defended Beane but after last year’s draft he belongs on the hot seat. This team should have been in the Super Bowl by now. If it isn’t happening, you need to try something else.

“I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn’t have to give up that much.”

Think back to last offseason. The Bills were in a tight cap situation and desperately needed help at WR. Brown was available and at a price that the Bills could afford. Allen had a lot of success with a lesser version of Hollywood Brown in John Brown. It should come as no surprise that Josh would voice to Beane & co. that we would be interested in playing with that skill set. He is/was a very good fit and affordable.

So Josh Allen wants to play with a WR that has proven he can threaten the defense vertically? In other news, water is wet.

I don’t subscribe but for those of you that do it feels like this belongs here:

Really well said here!! The answer is, “it’s both.” The Bills need to improve the defense (specifically pass rush) AND get better on the outside with playmaking WRs. You articulated here though some of the divide that’s been on this board for months (if not years). When push comes to shove Josh is the guy that’s going to get this team over the top, not McDermott. It is like if you’re a pitcher and you throw 97. You have a really good fastball. There are 2 schools of thought on how you get better. We can work on your curve to make you more balanced OR we can try to get 97 to 101. Both avenues will make you better but do you believe that a good fastball and pretty good curve ball is better than an elite fastball and average curve? I’m generally of the belief that you take what you do best and make it better. It’s the concept of the book “Strengthfinders.” Understand what you do well and try to do that better as oppossed to spending time/resources trying to cover up your warts.

That’s fair and I’m a bit of a hypocrite on this as well. I’m always a high ceiling guy and banged the drum for WR. As you know, I wasn’t a Coleman guy. In large part, I didn’t think that his ceiling was that high because of his lack of separation. I would have went “safer” with McConkey or Worthy. I also liked guys like Javon Baker and Ricky Pearsall who didn’t do much last year. Lol, Baker caught 1 ball all year. They should have taken multiple guys at the position either way. The WR position has been woefully mismanaged/neglected.

Burden feels like a guy with a very high floor and a high ceiling. There’s virtually no chance of him busting (even if that means he has to play primarily from the slot).

Sorry that you didn’t like saying “wait until he gets hurt” is a weak argument. Waiting until anyone gets hurt is a weak argument. Let’s just look at the resume of when they played. The comparison that I provided was the way that they ended the season. One of them flourished and appeared to be blossoming into a star. The other came back and struggled catching 10 of his last 29 targets. I’m not going to live in the hypothetical world of, “yeah but if he gets hurt and doesn’t play the other guy will be better.” That is dumb. Let’s look at what they did while playing. When they were both healthy, Worthy was a much better player.

I am on board. He was a crazy high recruit too. That reminds me of Diggs a little bit.

Appreciate you answering the question. To be clear, I’m not saying Coleman has no chance. He actually has some skills with the ball in the air and the ball in his hands. I’m saying that it was a dumb pick because the Bills needed an immediate contributor. I blame them more than him. He has some upside but I think it’s as a contributor not a focal point. In, arguably, the best WR draft ever, it sucks when that was your biggest need and you traded down twice for a role player. That’s a poor job by the Beane and co. Let’s hope that he develops into more than a 3rd or 4th receiver. Lol, that’s my least favorite argument. The “wait until he gets hurt” argument. Worthy played every game this year I think and Coleman missed a month and a half. Why should we assume that Worthy is more likely to be injured? That’s a stupid assumption and an incredibly weak argument.

We are definitely in agreement here. You and I are generally in agreement but have differed on Coleman. With that desperate need, I didn’t think a project was a good idea. The needed a higher floor. Both Worthy and obviously McConkey checked that box. Beane loves to chase a high ceiling but I didn’t believe that he had that luxury last draft.

That has been one of my thoughts too (although @GunnerBill doesn’t love him). Why not just answer the question? Which player is better right now?

I 100% agree that those numbers would be sensational (and realistic on the high end). At the same time, Worthy looks like the next Desean Jackson and Ladd is better than both. The Bills went into the draft with a MASSIVE need at the top of the depth chart. They traded down twice and drafted a guy that caught 10 of his last 29 targets. That’s a huge fail at this point. The book certainly isn’t written but to this point it is NOT going well.

Who is better right now, Worthy or Keon?

One of the things that’s baffling in here is the argument, “he was targeted more.” I’m like, “don’t you think he was targeted more because he was open more?”

I hope that he becomes that guy. Asked differently, “which one is better right now?” There is a right answer.