Kirby Jackson

Wouldn’t hurt to ask ??‍♂️

I agree with that. At this point though, Cooks isn’t worth a 2nd and Diggs is worth the equivalent of pick 18. Cooks was a nice player when he came into the league here. Always found it odd that teams were so okay moving on from him (and good franchises too). Both New Orleans and New England were comfortable. That says a lot to me. It’s says even more that the genius, Bill O’Brien wanted him lol.

It’s is by far, stop looking at stats. Start looking at skill sets, how they were used, and career to date. Cooks is a talented guy with a zillion concussions. He’s on a new team every two years for a reason. Diggs is an elite route runner, elite in contested ball chances, very good after the catch and can stretch the field. He’s also durable. If you asked 32 NFL GMs all 32 would take Diggs. That’s where the “by far” comes into play. This isn’t a “Allen/Darnold” situation where some people like one vs. the other. This is unanimous 32-0.

I took the ultimate Switzerland route here and said maybe. Maybe to me though depends more on what transpires between now and then. I’d lean towards yes if I had to pick but if a game was played today I would be a no. My “yes” lean is assuming that we continue to learn and improve the situation between now and then. I don’t necessarily need the vaccine to go but need some progress from this current situation.

Another failed amateur football league. The XFL was, by miles, the best of them. There was some talent, solid exposure and interesting rules. I think that without the Coronavirus it would have had a decent chance to see year 2. With the WWE stock crashing though it became difficult. I just really wish that I would have bet a parlay that each league would last no more than a year. I would have gotten great odds at the time.

That’s where we disagree. So far, every trade that he’s made he has lost IMO. That’s why he is so heavily criticized around the league. Most people win some and lose some. The bad GMs win 30% of the time and lose 70%; the greats are the opposite. BOB is operating with like a 10% win ratio (at best).

Can the season start now?

Josh HAD great value as an MVP bet. He has elite talent and is the QB of a team on the rise. If the Bills won the division and 11+ games he’s going to get a ton of credit. In a lot of ways it’s just a good spot (which is why he has been getting so much money).

You’re giving him way too much credit. He turned around and drafted another OT in the first in 2019. Obviously he’d prefer to not deal with an AFC team. That goes without saying. The point is, that he is on the losing end of every deal that he makes. Even if you make a “lesser” deal with him you probably end up winning it. I’m not saying that there is a deal to be made. I’m saying, shoot for something that you think is unlikely because he has a track record of losing trades. I’m nervous that Miami is going to offer him a couple (or even 3) 1sts for Watson and he’s going to take it. All of a sudden Miami is a force. They would have turned a very good LT into an elite QB essentially. That’s BOB in a nutshell. If he’s handing out free money I’m just saying make the call and see if he will give you some.

You really think Jarrett Stidham is going to complete 61% of his passes for 4,100 yards and a 3:1 TD to INT ratio? I don’t. They have the worst QB situation in the league right now (by a lot). As it stands it would take ELITE coaching for them to move from 32 to say 25. Again, that can change if they add somebody but as of now they are awful at QB. They lost their legendary OL coach to retirement. Their OL should be an above average unit but with a new QB and Scarnecchia retiring is it unreasonable to think that they may regress to average? It’s probably likely. Their skill players are at, or near, the bottom oF the league as well. That’s a huge reason that Brady left. He didn’t trust anyone but Edelman. They lost their 2 top pass rushers in Van Noy and Collins. They couldn’t replace them because of cap issues. The secondary is one of the best in football but will be negatively impacted by one of football’s worst pass rushes. In terms of 2008 it is irrelevant to this conversation. Matthew Slater is the only player on this Patriots roster that was on that team. The 2007 team was 16-0!! Of course when they showed up in 2008, Brady or not, they were going to be good. They had an elite roster. They were 11-5. This team is not that team. This Patriots team lost the greatest QB of all-time, it’s 2 top pass rushers, the best OL coach in the league and it’s run stuffing DT. None of those people were adequately replaced. If there is anyone on this board that want to take the Patriots over 9.5 wins I’d be happy to book that for you. I reserve the right to change depending on whether or not they add a QB. At the moment though this team is bad. We shouldn’t think that they will automatically be good because they were 12 years ago when Brady was out. They aren’t the same guys. We have such PTSD from them. We really don’t want to believe that they are bad because we feel like we are setting ourselves up to be hurt. Objectively, look at this roster and tell me how many games that they win? Keep in mind that they play the toughest schedule in football. 2020 Pats If you changed the logo from the Patriots to the Lions, people would be arguing that team would have a shot at Trevor Lawrence. BB’s genius probably prevents that from happening. They are about a 6 win team.

Those team’s were WAY better than this one though. That’s like saying, “I worry about UNC football because that Mack Brown team in 2006 was good.” They aren’t the same guys. The Patriots went 16-0 the year before Cassel played. What kind of roster did they have? They won the Super Bowl the year of Brady’s suspension I think. Their defense lost Van Noy, Collins and Shelton. They lost 3 key guys in the front 7. That defense was GREAT early last year and pretty good as time went on. They are a totally different unit. That’s the equivalent of the Bills defense losing Hyde, Poyer and Milano in 1 offseason and not replacing him. We’d have to view them differently even though they were good last year. BB is a genius. That’s the reason that they may get to 6 wins with that schedule. Look at this Patriots depth chart. How are they going to score? How are they going to rush the passer? This is a bad team and everyone is scared to say it because they are always good. This is a different team however. The days of the Patriots winning double-digit games because of the uniforms that they put on are over.

He finds a way because they’ve always been good and had Brady. The year he was hurt their roster was loaded. The Patriots are a 6 win team. We just have PTSD from the last 20 years. If you are to objectively look at that team it isn’t good. When you factor in the QB situation it is probably a bottom 5 roster in football. They have a good secondary and decent OL that lost their legendary OL coach. They have bad skill players, a below average front 7 and the worst QB situation in the league. They are so done. We were winning the division this year whether Brady was there or not. Even an old Brady though gave them a shot at 9-10 wins against that schedule. This team will be lucky to win 6 games.

I mean obviously O’Brien would rather trade out of conference but he’s a moron. He gave 2 1sts, a 2nd and 2 players for Tunsil, Stills, a 4th & 6th. That was within the AFC. The guy’s an idiot and capable of anything. He’s, by miles, the worst GM in football. Just keep calling and wait him out!! If they had a guy that I wanted I would leak to a source in the media that said guy criticized O’Brien. I’d make the guy out to be a bad guy. My next phone call would be to O’Brien to see if he wanted to unload this locker room problem.

I know this is a popular sentiment but it’s from 20 years of trauma. You say in the first sentence without a QB Miami can’t be good but in the 3rd sentence you worry about Jarrett Stidham. Right now Miami has a better QB situation, as good of a roster and an easier schedule (Jacksonville & Cincinnati instead of Houston & Baltimore). The Patriots are more likely to finish fourth in the division than to win it in my opinion. That’s a bad football team. Their front 7 took some big hits, their skill players aren’t good, they lost Brady and they play the toughest schedule in football. Unless they sign Cam and he reverts back to 2015 Cam or they sign Jameis and the light bulb goes off they are a bad team. They are a 6 win type of team.

That’s a really good point on the QBs!! Those games being at home is probably a 1 game swing for the Bills IMO. If those 3 were on the road I’d anticipate 1-2. With those being at home I’d say 2-1. I think that the Bills split the NFC West and crossover games. That’s being fairly conservative on those games. That has them at 3-3. Let’s call the division record 4-2 (which again may be a little conservative). The AFC West should be 2-2 to 3-1 IMO. That’s 9-10 wins there and that’s being reasonable. I don’t see a path for the other team’s in the division to get there. Miami is the only POSSIBLE exception IMO. If they play 4-2 in the division and 2-0 in the crossover games they’d need to go 4-4 vs. the AFC & NFC West teams. I’m not sure that they are quite good enough to do that but it’s not insane.

Exactly how I feel, except I think 9 wins MAY even win the division this year. The entire AFC East has it tough when it comes to the schedule. I think that the Bills can win the division by default to a certain extent. Miami is better but not good (although they have world’s of draft capital), the Jets are a mess and New England isn’t good (they aren’t). I’m not sure another AFC East team gets to 8 wins. Miami could win 8 as their crossover games are Cincinnati and Jacksonville. Other than that I just don’t see it.

That doesn’t change the fact that he’s a moron capable of anything. Every GM should be trying to deal with him. He’s Jason Botterill.

O’Brien? He’s an idiot, capable of anything. I’m not even sure what I’d want? Mercilus?

I hope Beane picks up the phone and at least calls O’Brien. I don’t hate this deal for Houston like some do but the guy is an idiot. I’d just throw some things out there and see if he bites.

I was DYING watching this. The Vontae Davis voice is incredible.

I agree that he’s not going anywhere. The reality is it is really simple. There is a market set by comparable players. The next guy up gets more than the comparable player before him and so on. Tre, at some point will be the next guy up and will be the highest paid CB in the league. At some point it will be the next guy and then the one after him, etc... The Bills know this.

He will almost certainly be the highest paid CB ever. He will reset the market. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $18M per year and $60M guaranteed.

Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense.

One of the late show hosts last night said something on Bernie Sanders to the tune of, “now that he’s out of the presidential race he can shift his focus to getting Michael J. Fox back to 1985.” ???