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I didn’t, I brought up a book that talks about how they actually came to be in the gulags. Those who had their own farms or small businesses were seen as successful and thus we called Kulags because they were part of the problem. They were publicly shamed and then through into the gulags, those who were seen as successful. These were not CEOs of companies or the elite. Just everyday middle class people who were made into a characature of “the other” to desensitize the people who were uprising against this characature. To be able to let the die or kill these people, including the mothers and babies. “The other” is being created now at a fever pitch thanks to social media.

I’ll get you that article but I have to step away for a bit, don’t take that as me giving up and throwing in the towel. Having a 1 year old and a 3 year old is hard to work. Talk soon.

Also, I’ll fully admit, this is my own opinion. I’m not trying to demand and shout down other ideologies like those on the left. I’ll put my opinion out there and let the best idea and understanding win. It’s not so just because you say it is. I’ll challenge you to give me your reasoning on it.

I did not say that, I’m saying it’s moving in the direction of what happened in the book, not that it will happen if they are elected straight away. Hopefully cooler heads prevail but no the signs are there. The upper class/rich people are all whites, “the other”, that needs to be overthrown. Dems continue to stoke that hate. What do you think is the logical end to that. I’ll hear you out. Right-o, false equivocation = par for the course for people of your ilk.

I think Trump does dumb things a lot. You know the answer to the first one, that was a situation where the media played only a small part of the clip and created a narrative. That was not all Mexicans, just bad actors. The wall is needed and a wall. The meaning behind the wall is what the left assigned to it and you bought it hook line and sinker. It’s racist right? A wall can be immoral? Wow. You know full well why kids were separated. Nothing to do with wanting to specifically take kids away from their parents but because it was the law. Obama did the same thing. It’s nothing I condone but no ones perfect. That’s the problem, everyone has to be perfect in the world of the left. I think it was right to point out the issue there and spotlight it, but the narrative surrounding it was disgusting. Dreamers, just like the wall, is a value judgement on the individual. You’ve made your stance clear but one or the other is not wrong or right, it just depends on your ideology unfortunately. I think dreamers should be granted citizenship, their parents knowing what they were doing is another story. I’m not sure what judge you’re talking about but let me know and I’ll take a look. No I don’t believe in the birther narrative. Let me ask you, what makes that racist? A person who thinks they are not from this country could legitimately think they are not without being racist. That’s another problem with the left. The reason for everything is “racism” which usually misses what’s actually happening. In that way it continues to purpetuatre the issue because the actual crux of the matter is not remedied because...racism. Vicious cycle. How am I deflecting? I’m answering the questions straight away.

Examples? Be as specific as possible and make sure you’re giving me all sides with all possibilities instead of the going narrative.

You’re right, racism does hurt everyone. So why is the left trying to create more of it? Socialism has never, will never work. Sure, when I get to my computer, I will get one of the papers from my class that the professor assigned on critical race theory and the battle against “whiteness”. No, the theme is not that, that’s your own interpretation.

First, The war in whiteness is happening. Just look at the scholars and their papers. “When a person tells you who they are, believe them the first time” ~ Maya Angelou. It’s all there, you don’t have to dig very far. It’s all a war against whiteness. Secondly, you’re doing what’s expected of people like you. Generalizing and equating with me being a racist. Unlike those in few in Charlottesville who were actual white supremacists, I don’t believe that one race is superior to another, in fact race would be better if it was a non-factor, not further being made a factor to pit everyone against each other like the left wants to do and the democrats are complying with. Simply live and let live. That’s a dog whistle to you I’ll bet, but no surprise, everything is to the left no matter how rational. Oh wait rationalism and enlightenment values are also racist, right? Finally, love how you’ll generalize the racist that Trump is without giving any firm examples. Again, it’s all what I would expect from someone of your ideological persuasion.

He is not a racist, everything has become a dogwhistle to the left. That’s what critical race theory is trying to do. They are trying to deconstruct society in order to confuse everyone about meanings to the point no one knows what means anything anymore. It’s an anarchist type of function. The end goal is to have society collapse and the redo society in their image. It’s all about power. This is all in the writing of the post-modernists and subsequently in the writings of the critical race theorists. Do you think it’s working? You mean with his executive actions? No, all presidents have had questionable executive actions depending on the audience. It’s no worse or better. What specifically is it that you think is against checks and balances. Do you agree with democrats wanting to remove the filibuster?

You’re being far too simplistic which is not surprising for someone who sympathises with the Left. Propaganda necessitates simplicity and easily understood rhetoric that sounds wonderful and that no one could disagree with (black lives matter/anti-racism). Just look for a second under the thin skin and you’ll find it’s a house of cards designed to gain power for their group. It’s all about power. I’m for smaller government and less distribution and more freedom. Both parties suck, they both attempt to gain and consolidate power. The right says they are the party of small government yet government continues to grow under them too.

You’re putting words in my mouth. I said they were moving towards that. I also know how dangerous the far right can be (Trump is not far right btw, the media tries to paint him as one because the need to paint dissenters as “the other”), but right now, the far left is much more dangerous. It’s not even close.

What do you think socialism is? What do you think the call for equality actually means? Redistribution is wealth is right at the top. Over regulation of the means of production, right there too. They have only been stymied in their attempts to do this by the republicans in the way. If they take over the presidency and congress, we will see a rapid movement towards socialism, especially if they get rid of the filibuster as some on the Dems have vowed to do. Easy to see.

If they continue to side with the left. If we move back to the traditional liberal, then that would be great. We need to be middle of the road, we’re too polarized and the democrats seem all to happy to go along if it gets Trump out of office. They’re playing a VERY dangerous game.

It’s never far behind, it’s the logical end. When resources run out from the government and inflation starts, the government cracks down and communism begins. Fascist communism.

Think through it. Don’t just write it off. The bourgeoisie, what were they hated for? What do the left think about whites? Privileged, rich, and hold all the power. They see us as a monolith by their words and actions and we are all of the above. That’s why the bourgeoisie had to die. they were seen as “the other” and the intersectional/critical theory types try to do the same and are succeeding recently.

Well, I’ll tell you that’s not me. Ive gone through radical self reflection, challenging all of my beliefs with others ideas. I can say, without a doubt, that I am well educated on all sides. The quasi-scientific left is definitely going to be the downfall of society if it does not get reversed. Take it for what it’s worth as you don’t know me personally. I’ve been into the belly of the beast with my education and have seen what they’re teaching. Critical race theory/intersectionality are laced throughout the curriculum, even in STEM. It’s not going to end well if it continues this way I fear. Give it a read and you’ll understand. The guy who wrote it was in the gulags himself and lived through it. Worth a read to understand the direction this country is going. We’ve seen this story before and it’s all laid out in that book. Why do you think the bourgeoisie were killed?

If it gets bad enough, it’s heading that way. However, I will continue to fight it at this point and hopefully it never gets to the point that a gun is pointed at my and my kids heads for being seen as a rich privileged person (I’m not) gleaned from the fact that my skin is white. It’s scary. They also give us no way out. What do people do when they are backed into the wall with no way out? If you say you’re not racist, it’s internalized and you’re racist. Why would anyone be ok with that? That dumb white fragility book is all about the authors own feelings on situations. She then projects that to all white people and says if you’re white you’re racist. No matter what. This book was recently best selling book. It’s accelerating exponentially and if reasoned and cool heads don’t prevail, I fear there could be quite a blowback that this country will never recover from. You don’t see it though, do you?

I’ve been making the same comparison after reading the gulag archipelago. Scary times, and most here won’t see it. The struggle sessions they had then are now done in real time on social media. It’s a scary time, and I fear that those who don’t see it, won’t until it’s too late.

Ok, lets just go with your premise and give you the benefit of the doubt, Trump is everything you say his is. That still does not answer why you trust her? Is it that whole "believe her" thing with the Kavanaugh type movement that makes you believe her? I'm going to venture a guess that it's because you like and believe anything that is negative towards Trump and you cannot see past the derangement syndrome. Can you name one thing that was positive that the Trump administration has done? There are plenty to choose from even if you don't like him.

He's a slave to his feelings. You gotta "feel" bad for those types.

So you're automatically taking her side because? Do you know her personally or something or is it just based on the caricature you and your ilk and the media has created of Trump? You're falling into the "other" narrative and have painted Trump and his supporters as the "other". You are clearly at the mercy of your feelings which means you are in control of nothing. Pathetic. Generalize away, that's what got Trump elected in the first place and will be the reason the polls and media will be wrong again this time.

I’ll agree with civil discourse being the only way forward, we can agree to disagree. Agreed, good chatting.

I’ve heard all these grievances already, I do not agree.

The only thing I see as unfair is where kids grow up. We need to make sure kids start from the same place. That’s it, there is no other systemic racism in this country. There are individual incidents, and perhaps even pockets, but I reject the intersectional, moral relativist, post modern bs that seeks to deconstruct everything this country stands for under the guise of social justice. The thing about social justice is that it’s a pretty little propaganda box that no one can disagree with lest they be called racist. It’s sounds great but is a house of cards if you look just below the surface. I have recently taken a few weeks to really look into myself and see if I can agree with what’s below the surface but all I can see is a power grab by another group, hell bent on creating an “other” (white people) to make a boogy man. Might as well call white people the bourgeoisie. Throw us all in the gulags because we’ve seen this movie already. The scary part is people are becoming complicit in this.

Ok so you’re saying we need to completely destroy the system and make it socialist/communist in nature. Gotcha.