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Equality the way you say it is not the way they (BLM) mean it.

You won’t because people have no interest in recording those incidents, it does not jive with the narrative. Tony Timba is one that actually was taped. Go find that video and see how eerily similar it is to George Floyd, where was the outcry then? This ideology seeks to make race a factor again and pit the races against one another. I was taught to treat everyone the same, but now I’m told that view is racist. Does that not seem absolutely ridiculous on its face? Its all out there for you to see, don’t take my word for it. You don’t know me any more than this message board. Don’t just listen to the narrative, do some digging and research on it. There’s a more sinister underbelly that is wrapped up in a pretty box of social justice propoganda.

I don’t believe in systemic racism, it’s a boogy man placed there to make it an easy lazy explanation. Could it be something else causing what people say is racism? Does anyone ever think themselves anymore, “well yeah, it could be racism but are there other plausible reasons?” This seems to be the crux of the issue. Those intersectional theorists, Marxist idealists, and critical theory race baiters, don’t want you to think otherwise. The benefit of the doubt is never allowed, that’s wrong think. You’re a racist or any other of a number of -ists if you say otherwise. There’s no room for debate and that is a dangerous precedent to set my friend. My opinions are my own, through my own research.

I don’t know why you think I’m getting my information from those people. That seems like quite a jump to me, but then again I don’t readily watch the 24/7 news cycle. It’s all about sensationalism. You know what happens when you assume right? I don’t need the 24/7 news cycle to tell me what I’m reading in my advanced degree studies, or what I’m seeing in the streets. Maybe you do? Their whole platform is based in intersectionalism, critical race theory, and Marxist ideologies. I’ve studied this nonsense and it’s only a reach to the uninitiated. Those who listen to black lives matter and agree with it (for good reasons) are looking at it literally, I would agree with them. They don’t understand what BLM actually stands for. So I’ll continue to battle the narrative. Yes, Black Lives DO MATTER and I’ll affirm that! At the same time, the movement is absolutely destructive to the core. If we don’t wake up, we will soon not recognize this country. At the heart of the matter is the premise that black lives are killed disproportionately compared to others in the world. Say I gave you that premise as true. Here’s a question for you, how many people total have been killed by officers last year (this number is consistent for decades)?

Your premises are correct, that is what they want. Communism would give them the ultimate power. The destruction of the idea of the nuclear family for the collective viewpoint is a microcosm of that. On every level they want to be collective. They’ve changed their verbiage from the initial, but they still do believe what they initially stated. No doubt about it.

If that’s what they’re saying, they are not clearly stating that. They had said straight up that they reject the western view of nuclear family, not we accept the nuclear family but would like others to be held up too. It’s very clear what they think about it and the viewpoint they hold is a Marxist collectivist/socialist viewpoint. You sure can, but the second part of your statement with the collectivist view IS a precursor to Socialism, the nuclear family is not.

They are rebuking the nuclear family for the collective. That’s what you wrote, take a look.

They said on their site until recently, for everyone to see, they were against the idea of nuclear families. No one has to make this up, just believe them when they tell you what they’re about. I see, so socialism? They seek to burn the status quo to the ground so that they can build the culture back up in their image. So that they can be the power brokers, it’s all a power grab. The critical race theory that they base this BS on is about putting races against each other. When has that ever don’t anything more than turn into bloodshed taken to its logical conclusion? Yet, the likes of crazy cat lady Robin DiAngelo says we have to see race and judge based on race? What the hell is wrong with this world?

This is the right viewpoint, in my opinion, but if you have a different opinion, I won’t smash you over the head with a bike lock. Instead, I will seek clarification on your position in order find common ground or perhaps agree to disagree. You know, act like a rational adult.

.Yeah, that’s what those antifa thugs are doing, they are capitalizing on perceived grievances that populations (black lives) are experiencing economic woes based on systemic racism (perceived, not rational or shown in actual statistics) “First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined”, Whites are the new Scapegoats in their fairytale, there is no other reason that there could be disparity, only racism to these fascist antifa types (taking blame away from market forces and placing it on racism) “Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces.”. Redirecting anger towards whiteness and white people. “Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.” Forcible suppression of ideas by shaming on social media, cancel culture, actual footage of antifa thugs physically hurting people who have other ideas, slogans like silence=violence and thereby justifying being able to physically become violent with others. Thanks for making the case clear, antifa is clearly “fa” aka facist (and racist) themselves. If you’re trying to hang your hat on the “far-right” part of the situation, that is weak. Fine, another word needs to be made to encompass the left with the same characteristics. You’re only playing semantics but we all know what we mean and you do too. So stop playing games.

That’s where I read it too, just wanted to point out that its from the NYT.

I was about to come post this. This is from the very left leaning New York Times. It’s the bastardizaroon and politicization of science for the agenda of getting Trump out of office. I’m sure it’s all part of Dr. Desai’s woke agenda gone bad.

So anyone who has strong words is a wife beater? I don’t particularly like the words he used but just because a guy has a strong opinion about something that dissents from a woman’s view certainly would not make him a wife beater, or even a bad person in any way. He certainly was out of line with his word usage but AOC has been just as strong against others, just not to their face. At least he had the balls to face a person face to face. In this twisted world it’s seen as a bad thing. Too many people are worried about being factually correct instead of being morally right (I.e. my feelings and lived experience mean more than factual data). The most logical person ever, yes. BS Joe Blow might have just given the race back to Trump with signing on to Green New Deal principles. Keep digging a hole Joe, I think this is just the beginning.

Hyperbole much?

Enough people will start to do that if this continues and it will affect the bottom line. The virtue signaling will be over and the NFL will return to it's bread and butter as it should. Politics should not be mixed with sports. As many have said, it's a way to get away from the real world, nothing that you and your ilk say about "changing the channel" or any other write off, will change that. Keep doing this NFL, it will not end well.

I wouldn't cancel anyone's ideas (unless it was an imminent threat). It's hard because everyone seems to have been indoctrinated into this viewpoint from the 90s forward and they are reaping the fruit of the culture it has wrought. I tend to think they will eat their own and their nonsensical and disjointed message will be seen for what it is compared to cooler and rational heads over time. It's a long game, and we may see some short term pain (hopefully not to the point of the Gulags) for long term gain in the end. It seems like a difficult time, but I'm also hopeful that there is a majority that is silent. A majority that has to work and be responsible to themselves and their families. They can't be out in the streets but can vote for those who are more rational. We will see, otherwise we are doomed to repeat socialist/communist ideals until it unravels again. Interesting and dangerous times for sure.

Sure man, sure. I know you’re being facetious.

Of course not, no one needs to die and I hope it never comes to that. Just free flow of ideas rather than cancel culture.

It's all based on post-modern theory, intersectional theory, and critical race theory (born out of these former two). Critical race theory is in a battle with "whiteness" which includes characteristics such as liking individualism, free society, personal responsibility, nuclear family, etc. They rail against freedom as "whiteness" and if you assert your love for these qualities, you are a white supremacist. The ideology does not allow for any room for discussion otherwise.

Everybody has a virus that causes us to drink Coronas? God please no!! That's a terrible beer! How long have I been under that rock?

It’s all about attacking the character rather than the tenants of the argument.

Oh I know, I don’t expect him to come back and have a rational discussion. When it becomes a scholarly discussion, most of the leftists run and hide.

Where’s Tibs on this? He seems to only respond when he feels he can make sweeping generalizations on the situation. This is a peer reviewed article brought forth by my professor in a masters level course on Human Resource Development. This is not some ridiculous article in the media. They actively talk about “whiteness” being a problem. When they tell you what they are and what they’re doing, believe them. Tibs, I hope that you’re not only concerned with the superficial and skin deep practice of propaganda for the left. Look under the hood and see what is really being done. It’s an attack on our very country’s values, enlightenment values, and rationality. It’s an attack on “whiteness”, which is defined by the people who are attacking it. Whiteness is a monolithic group for which to generalize racism over to create the “other”. It’s all right there in front of your eyes. Just read the words. Believe them for what they’re saying. Tibs, where are you?

No you didn't, you added your own value judgement based on the narratives you had been fed. Attached is the article that I had promised you. This is an article presented in my masters level class years ago. Needless to say I discussed the other side of the issue to the teacher and the students in the class. Some liked it, others were very upset that I had a differing point of view, which is another worrying conversation. Pay close attention to "Theoretical Foundations of Social Justice" as this will inform you to some of the ideas that today's social justice warriors and the underpinning of today's movements believe. Critical Race Theory is THE very basis of the social justice movement we are seeing today. They don't mince words, "CRT proposes that racism is an enduring socially constructed reality that advances the position of whiteness" (p. 286). The logical take away from that, whiteness is the problem. Now, what does a white person take from that? We are born the problem because of our skin color. I talked about earlier how they seek to deconstruct society to make everything have multiple meanings (everything is an -ism or -ist) so that they can confuse everyone and make up seem down and down seem up. This is so that they can cause anarchy and the reconstruct the world in their image (it's all about power). Think about the word racism itself, the definition used to be about one group seeing another as inferior to each other. Now I hear Webster is going to change it to the ongoing narrative that the person who see's themselves as superior having the power to oppress. BS. Have a read, let me know what you think. Lots of other juicy kernels in there too for you to enjoy. Intersexionality is one of the main pillars and this is where the racism really comes into play (I don't say reverse-racism because noting is reverse-racism, it's all just racism no matter who is doing it to who). It's worth noting that this is only one of the articles that push this agenda in the curriculum. There have been many more articles such as this and discussions had that are pushing this social justice agenda. It's radicalizing in education. A Social Justice Paradigm for HRD Byrd article.pdf It's how they're trying to gain power, by confusing everything, causing society to collapse and then reconstructing in their own image. Critical Race Theory is the issue, "critical" does not mean to have critical thinking, it means to be critical of everything. Grievance studies.

I’m aware but talking with people like that and putting the conversation where everyone can see allows people to see all sides. Its good to create a market place of ideas and hope people see the rational side.