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Yes, attack character, that’s all you have. The phrase that’s said over and over again, and is not correct is that anyone not part of this critical race theory bs is on the wrong side of history. Facts, yes actual facts, don’t care about your feelings. Side note, interesting that you think you can tell a persons tone by what they write. Things often get lost in translation in the ether, but it’s not surprising you would think you could determine my disposition given what you believe.

I would not argue that racism has existed through the centuries, however, the movement of BLM is a new construct with old Marxist, intersectional, critics race theory tenants. It seeks to confuse everything and deconstruct society, and then consolidate power for itself in the reimagined new world order. A socialist/racist dystopia with fascist thought control. It’s all a power grab. I reject the idea of systemic racism in today’s society. The fact that you say “you can just observe” is just absolutely ridiculous. To those who are all about anti-racism today, absolutely everything is racist. The racist ideologies of the past do not continue on today in systemic fashion. There are some racists (and will unfortunately always be) but they are the exception not the rule anymore. There are racists against every race, including against whites (I reject the idea that racism is purely oppressor over operessor, that wrong idea is a new construct too). There will always be people who simply hate, they are the fringe. It’s not lost on me that you surreptitiously added in the date 1619, in a nod against the fiction that is the 1619 project which serves to try and rewrite history in a racist manner. You can say, individually, not all white people are racist and I agree with you but the book “white fragility” which is being adopted and taught in corporations around the country, asserts that if you’re whites and you don’t agree, you’re racist and you’re hiding it. If you agree you’re racist and you need to work against racism for the rest of your life and genuflect to the movement, but you can never rid yourself of racism. All simply because of the color of your skin, where have I heard that before? When I observe everyday Americans and their daily activities, very rarely will I see or hear anything racist. Your flippanr comment that people can just “observe” does not hold water. Its clear based on your response that you hold “lived experiences” more important than actual hard data which completely turn the entire idea that BLM started on its head and shows you how ridiculous it’s pretenses are. According to raw and official statistics from the gorvernment, Rougjly 1000 deaths (this number has been steady like this for decades) by cops happen every year. In a country that of over 350 million people that is a minuscule number which is anything but systemic, but we aren’t talking about even 1000 are we? No because the majority is police killing or white people. So let’s give the benefit of the doubt and give the percentage of 40 percent are black deaths at the hands of cops. What BLM is concerned about is white on black cops that were done for racist reasons. The majority of killings are justified (attacked the cops, death by suicide, etc). So let’s knock that down to 100. So 100 are black people being killed by cops that are not necessarily done the right way. Studies actually show that blacks are far more likely to die at the hands of a minority officer, so let’s knock a that number down the o about 30. Some of those are just simply bad policing or negligent with no racist undertones to them, let’s knock that down the to about 10-15. 10-15 could potentially be due to racist motivations. If true those people she be prosecuted for that reason, but there is no way you can all 10-15 incident systemic. Yet we see civil unrest due to “systemic racism” in police killings. It’s an absolute farce. What do I know, I’m using what people like you probably think is racist, numbers. Simply saying that there are so many things wrong with my statement and then going on a tangent about all these other amorphous ideas that don’t even speak to my argument at all, does not make you right, instead it makes you look silly.

It’s difficult if you think that the idea is completely false, that the majority of white people are not racist as the BLM and anti-racists believe (in fact you are racist no matter what based on your white skin color). Maybe he didn’t want to weigh in because he does not believe in the narrative and doesnt want to create any more controversy by saying so. If you look under the covers of what BLM stands for, it’s not what it seems. Maybe he found that and what he learned is that it’s not right what they stand for. You must be a disciple of the church of critical race theory. Your suggestion is to cow tow to far leftist ideas of the day. Why did you choose that direction? What if he doesn’t believe in all that ridiculousness?

Are you saying he wanted to take a position on something? I’m thinking he didn’t, but people apparently people think silence is violence and so staying out of the fray is considered inappropriate. That’s basically what the issue of this whole thing is. You can’t stay silent, you HAVE to be anti-racist all the time or you are racist (never mind that you’re racist simply because your white and there nothing you can do about it).

What is the acceptable response? Please tell us, you who are the gatekeeper of what is the appropriate response. if he would have said BLM is based on a false premise and that the numbers don’t bear out systemic racism within police murders of black people (spoiler they don’t) would you have been ok with that? Or would there be even more drama?

No answer as to your epistemology. Just wondering what drives your world view?

What informs you that it’s lackluster or perhaps dodging the question. Another words, what is your moral compass? Where does it come from?

So you don’t think he was “wrong” in his answer or not wanting to answer?

It’s never a reasonable expectation to expect someone to do what you want them to. Freedom and free will is paramount in this country and the way you are thinking is a direct attack on that.

Yes, I do see that as wrong. No one has a right to another persons genuflection to their ideology. No matter how noble you think it is. Since when has it become ok to demand someone to tell you what you want them to hear and then cry foul if they don’t do what you want them to? It’s bush league for a reporter, and a general stain on today’s society. What if what Fromm learned is something more nuanced and not does not agree with the general drivel of the BLM. What would have happened if he said he’s against a lot of what they stand for? Would you have applauded him for saying so or would he have been called a racist for having dared have a differing opinion.

Not following what you’re saying. Are you saying that since he’s learning about the topic that he absolutely must describe the situation just the way the reporter wants, and by extension, BLM wants him to say? What the reporter is saying is that he doesn’t have the right NOT to have a position on the subject. His position must be “right” or if it’s wrong, and he has a more nuanced view than the broad strokes and generalizations that BLM wants, Fromm will be raked through the coals. So what is your point exactly?

This is the problem with the BLM, they are now the arbiters of what is right and wrong to say. That’s exactly what this is stemming from. Fromm said nothing wrong but to a Supporter of what BLM actually stands for, this is the way they will see this.

I’m not blaming anyone for this, these are all well intentioned people that think they are doing something right. The facts/statistics just dont even nearly confirm this. The only thing that statistics show are that black people are more likely to be “roughed up” than white people. If you take into account the proportion of black peoples who cause violent crimes and take that into consideration, the proportion makes more sense, but that’s racist right?

I said who it was in parenthesis.

I’m rather enjoying the back and forth.

Equality the way you say it is not the way they (BLM) mean it.

You won’t because people have no interest in recording those incidents, it does not jive with the narrative. Tony Timba is one that actually was taped. Go find that video and see how eerily similar it is to George Floyd, where was the outcry then? This ideology seeks to make race a factor again and pit the races against one another. I was taught to treat everyone the same, but now I’m told that view is racist. Does that not seem absolutely ridiculous on its face? Its all out there for you to see, don’t take my word for it. You don’t know me any more than this message board. Don’t just listen to the narrative, do some digging and research on it. There’s a more sinister underbelly that is wrapped up in a pretty box of social justice propoganda.

I don’t believe in systemic racism, it’s a boogy man placed there to make it an easy lazy explanation. Could it be something else causing what people say is racism? Does anyone ever think themselves anymore, “well yeah, it could be racism but are there other plausible reasons?” This seems to be the crux of the issue. Those intersectional theorists, Marxist idealists, and critical theory race baiters, don’t want you to think otherwise. The benefit of the doubt is never allowed, that’s wrong think. You’re a racist or any other of a number of -ists if you say otherwise. There’s no room for debate and that is a dangerous precedent to set my friend. My opinions are my own, through my own research.

I don’t know why you think I’m getting my information from those people. That seems like quite a jump to me, but then again I don’t readily watch the 24/7 news cycle. It’s all about sensationalism. You know what happens when you assume right? I don’t need the 24/7 news cycle to tell me what I’m reading in my advanced degree studies, or what I’m seeing in the streets. Maybe you do? Their whole platform is based in intersectionalism, critical race theory, and Marxist ideologies. I’ve studied this nonsense and it’s only a reach to the uninitiated. Those who listen to black lives matter and agree with it (for good reasons) are looking at it literally, I would agree with them. They don’t understand what BLM actually stands for. So I’ll continue to battle the narrative. Yes, Black Lives DO MATTER and I’ll affirm that! At the same time, the movement is absolutely destructive to the core. If we don’t wake up, we will soon not recognize this country. At the heart of the matter is the premise that black lives are killed disproportionately compared to others in the world. Say I gave you that premise as true. Here’s a question for you, how many people total have been killed by officers last year (this number is consistent for decades)?

Your premises are correct, that is what they want. Communism would give them the ultimate power. The destruction of the idea of the nuclear family for the collective viewpoint is a microcosm of that. On every level they want to be collective. They’ve changed their verbiage from the initial, but they still do believe what they initially stated. No doubt about it.

If that’s what they’re saying, they are not clearly stating that. They had said straight up that they reject the western view of nuclear family, not we accept the nuclear family but would like others to be held up too. It’s very clear what they think about it and the viewpoint they hold is a Marxist collectivist/socialist viewpoint. You sure can, but the second part of your statement with the collectivist view IS a precursor to Socialism, the nuclear family is not.

They are rebuking the nuclear family for the collective. That’s what you wrote, take a look.

They said on their site until recently, for everyone to see, they were against the idea of nuclear families. No one has to make this up, just believe them when they tell you what they’re about. I see, so socialism? They seek to burn the status quo to the ground so that they can build the culture back up in their image. So that they can be the power brokers, it’s all a power grab. The critical race theory that they base this BS on is about putting races against each other. When has that ever don’t anything more than turn into bloodshed taken to its logical conclusion? Yet, the likes of crazy cat lady Robin DiAngelo says we have to see race and judge based on race? What the hell is wrong with this world?

This is the right viewpoint, in my opinion, but if you have a different opinion, I won’t smash you over the head with a bike lock. Instead, I will seek clarification on your position in order find common ground or perhaps agree to disagree. You know, act like a rational adult.

.Yeah, that’s what those antifa thugs are doing, they are capitalizing on perceived grievances that populations (black lives) are experiencing economic woes based on systemic racism (perceived, not rational or shown in actual statistics) “First, these movements sourced their political strength from populations experiencing economic woes, real or imagined”, Whites are the new Scapegoats in their fairytale, there is no other reason that there could be disparity, only racism to these fascist antifa types (taking blame away from market forces and placing it on racism) “Fascists tended to capitalize on these economic anxieties by shifting the blame away from government or market forces.”. Redirecting anger towards whiteness and white people. “Redirecting popular anger toward these people would, in theory, rid a country of its ailments.” Forcible suppression of ideas by shaming on social media, cancel culture, actual footage of antifa thugs physically hurting people who have other ideas, slogans like silence=violence and thereby justifying being able to physically become violent with others. Thanks for making the case clear, antifa is clearly “fa” aka facist (and racist) themselves. If you’re trying to hang your hat on the “far-right” part of the situation, that is weak. Fine, another word needs to be made to encompass the left with the same characteristics. You’re only playing semantics but we all know what we mean and you do too. So stop playing games.