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I’ll agree with civil discourse being the only way forward, we can agree to disagree. Agreed, good chatting.

I’ve heard all these grievances already, I do not agree.

The only thing I see as unfair is where kids grow up. We need to make sure kids start from the same place. That’s it, there is no other systemic racism in this country. There are individual incidents, and perhaps even pockets, but I reject the intersectional, moral relativist, post modern bs that seeks to deconstruct everything this country stands for under the guise of social justice. The thing about social justice is that it’s a pretty little propaganda box that no one can disagree with lest they be called racist. It’s sounds great but is a house of cards if you look just below the surface. I have recently taken a few weeks to really look into myself and see if I can agree with what’s below the surface but all I can see is a power grab by another group, hell bent on creating an “other” (white people) to make a boogy man. Might as well call white people the bourgeoisie. Throw us all in the gulags because we’ve seen this movie already. The scary part is people are becoming complicit in this.

Ok so you’re saying we need to completely destroy the system and make it socialist/communist in nature. Gotcha.

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist.

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

“As a white man”, do you feel good about having to qualify your existence?

What exactly made you think I’m angry? I’m just curious. I don’t understand the train of thought that you express, I’m trying to clarify your point of view to see if I can understand and perhaps adopt it if it makes sense. What is the underlying philosophy or school of thought you are ascribing to?

Who are the gatekeepers of what’s better and what exactly is a “whole lot better” to you? Do you think you have a moral mandate to educate others? Do you think lived experiences are more important than statistics that may show otherwise? In other words, moral relativism? Do you gravitate to group think or do you think rationally and research ideas before espousing beliefs?

Curious, what does your idealist world look like?

Keep your critical race theory bs to yourself.

I can agree it’s opinion and half measures don’t work. Reopen and keep it open is my viewpoint. Flattening the curve (Though we can debate on whether that was needed too) was and should still be the test, not the changing goal posts of when we find a vaccine etc. Political bent in everything these days.

I’m saying personal responsibility for individual families is needed on the first point. the second point you can to say definitively one way or the other because we were not testing as much and the clientele has changed from only sick to now anyone. There are no conclusions other than educated guesses, which for me is that this was much more prevalent and wide spread in the community than what we were told. Either way, there is no justification for shutting down again if there was one in the first place. One other thing, I was fine at first when we didn’t know. When we started to see the numbers not justifying our fears, it took an act of god to get some in government to admit and reopen. The media is again trying to stoke fear in hopes a shutdown will happen again, there justification is a means to bring down the right and trump. That’s it. Doesn’t matter if you agree or not in this attempt, that’s what it’s about. They’re scaring people into submission for that reason. How else does something that is so much less deadly continuing to scare people?

You're missing the point here buddy, the tests are open to many more other than just those who are feeling sick. There are people who are testing positive now that have no symptoms. This is something that was already thought to be the case. It's showing that the disease is much less deadly than originally thought. There are several places around where I live that are offering testing regardless and without the approval of doctors. Is there an actual uptick in the number of people dying? Nope. That sounds like a racist, or privileged, or something else that is offensive to the left, statement. Keep it down. Boom, what's the average life expectancy?

I would like to see said graph. It's only worrisome if you think it's deadly than it is. So far it's proving to be not deadly really at all. I'm saying to take personal responsibility for your family. Do not go to those you know are compromised, take all precautions. Don't shut down the world because of the small number that actually die. I am no fan of people dying, absolutely not, I don't know anyone who is, but I am also starkly against taking a bazooka to a bothersome fly buzzing around your household. It seems the liberals are all-or-nothing with no nuance...unless of course what they're protesting is something they agree with. Remember when those protesting the shut down were not smart but now all of a sudden protesting is smart?

You've made a miscalculation. I am always open to thoughtful discussion that does not wreak of political bias. It's clear as day where the divide is. I happen to believe it has to do with the left's need to get Trump out of office and inability to acknowledge that the virus is not as bad as it was originally feared. I am open to your interpretation, even though the average life expectancy in America is 78.5 years old and the majority of those who died from COVID is over that age. What is your take on the spike of COVID cases, is it due to more testing or is it due to there being a bigger prevalance? I'll give you that it can be a mix, but there is invariably one more than the other. So where do you lean? Keep in mind, as I'm sure you know, this is cases that are COVID positive, and most recover. We're not talking about deaths. Again, I'm open to being persuaded and always am because I have a mentality that aligns most with Stoicism which teaches that if something is verifiable and is correct, then I should change my opinion on that fact. So persuade away.

So no personal responsibility is needed? We just need to cancel everything for something that has an average age of death over the average life expectancy. Another political fight.

Or, it doesn’t really matter, it’s like any other type of virus that most get better from. This one was overhyped from the start. What is the statistic? The average person who dies is older than the life expectancy of Americans?

So says one person. I am not your caricature of a slacked jawed yokel who dropped out of high school. I’m very well versed in this and have higher education much higher (and in subjects) than you might think. You would think it would make me more amiable to the mainstream view. Instead I see right through the BS people spew. This is precisely because I studied my way through liberal professor after liberal professor holding my own against their naïveté. Continue to drone on with a lemming fervor my friend. My view point is not ignorant rather well learned (pronounced learn-Ed). Good day to you sir.

It’s too bad that we’re getting political is all I’m saying. Very sad. I’ll stop posting for the time being until the dust settles, people realize how ridiculous this all is, and everything goes back to talking Bills. That is unless you choose to boot me completely, if which is your choice. I won’t be part of this ridiculous view that systemic racism exists. George Floyd, terrible. Individual racist acts, terrible. That’s what they are, bad people doing bad things. Let’s get back to talking Bills soon. Thanks, read my other posts.

Bills?

No where am I telling you that you have to do it, it was a suggestion. In the end, traffic will be what determines content. The only thing I can do iS vote with my non-presence. I would never presume to tell a private business what to do. I’m a big proponent of free market and private ownership.

Yet another PPP topic, this board is full of politics @SDS

There is, after all, a PPP section of which I avoid for the reasons listed above.

Shouldn’t be here