HamSandwhich

You’re putting words in my mouth. I said they were moving towards that. I also know how dangerous the far right can be (Trump is not far right btw, the media tries to paint him as one because the need to paint dissenters as “the other”), but right now, the far left is much more dangerous. It’s not even close.

What do you think socialism is? What do you think the call for equality actually means? Redistribution is wealth is right at the top. Over regulation of the means of production, right there too. They have only been stymied in their attempts to do this by the republicans in the way. If they take over the presidency and congress, we will see a rapid movement towards socialism, especially if they get rid of the filibuster as some on the Dems have vowed to do. Easy to see.

If they continue to side with the left. If we move back to the traditional liberal, then that would be great. We need to be middle of the road, we’re too polarized and the democrats seem all to happy to go along if it gets Trump out of office. They’re playing a VERY dangerous game.

It’s never far behind, it’s the logical end. When resources run out from the government and inflation starts, the government cracks down and communism begins. Fascist communism.

Think through it. Don’t just write it off. The bourgeoisie, what were they hated for? What do the left think about whites? Privileged, rich, and hold all the power. They see us as a monolith by their words and actions and we are all of the above. That’s why the bourgeoisie had to die. they were seen as “the other” and the intersectional/critical theory types try to do the same and are succeeding recently.

Well, I’ll tell you that’s not me. Ive gone through radical self reflection, challenging all of my beliefs with others ideas. I can say, without a doubt, that I am well educated on all sides. The quasi-scientific left is definitely going to be the downfall of society if it does not get reversed. Take it for what it’s worth as you don’t know me personally. I’ve been into the belly of the beast with my education and have seen what they’re teaching. Critical race theory/intersectionality are laced throughout the curriculum, even in STEM. It’s not going to end well if it continues this way I fear. Give it a read and you’ll understand. The guy who wrote it was in the gulags himself and lived through it. Worth a read to understand the direction this country is going. We’ve seen this story before and it’s all laid out in that book. Why do you think the bourgeoisie were killed?

If it gets bad enough, it’s heading that way. However, I will continue to fight it at this point and hopefully it never gets to the point that a gun is pointed at my and my kids heads for being seen as a rich privileged person (I’m not) gleaned from the fact that my skin is white. It’s scary. They also give us no way out. What do people do when they are backed into the wall with no way out? If you say you’re not racist, it’s internalized and you’re racist. Why would anyone be ok with that? That dumb white fragility book is all about the authors own feelings on situations. She then projects that to all white people and says if you’re white you’re racist. No matter what. This book was recently best selling book. It’s accelerating exponentially and if reasoned and cool heads don’t prevail, I fear there could be quite a blowback that this country will never recover from. You don’t see it though, do you?

I’ve been making the same comparison after reading the gulag archipelago. Scary times, and most here won’t see it. The struggle sessions they had then are now done in real time on social media. It’s a scary time, and I fear that those who don’t see it, won’t until it’s too late.

Ok, lets just go with your premise and give you the benefit of the doubt, Trump is everything you say his is. That still does not answer why you trust her? Is it that whole "believe her" thing with the Kavanaugh type movement that makes you believe her? I'm going to venture a guess that it's because you like and believe anything that is negative towards Trump and you cannot see past the derangement syndrome. Can you name one thing that was positive that the Trump administration has done? There are plenty to choose from even if you don't like him.

He's a slave to his feelings. You gotta "feel" bad for those types.

So you're automatically taking her side because? Do you know her personally or something or is it just based on the caricature you and your ilk and the media has created of Trump? You're falling into the "other" narrative and have painted Trump and his supporters as the "other". You are clearly at the mercy of your feelings which means you are in control of nothing. Pathetic. Generalize away, that's what got Trump elected in the first place and will be the reason the polls and media will be wrong again this time.

I’ll agree with civil discourse being the only way forward, we can agree to disagree. Agreed, good chatting.

I’ve heard all these grievances already, I do not agree.

The only thing I see as unfair is where kids grow up. We need to make sure kids start from the same place. That’s it, there is no other systemic racism in this country. There are individual incidents, and perhaps even pockets, but I reject the intersectional, moral relativist, post modern bs that seeks to deconstruct everything this country stands for under the guise of social justice. The thing about social justice is that it’s a pretty little propaganda box that no one can disagree with lest they be called racist. It’s sounds great but is a house of cards if you look just below the surface. I have recently taken a few weeks to really look into myself and see if I can agree with what’s below the surface but all I can see is a power grab by another group, hell bent on creating an “other” (white people) to make a boogy man. Might as well call white people the bourgeoisie. Throw us all in the gulags because we’ve seen this movie already. The scary part is people are becoming complicit in this.

Ok so you’re saying we need to completely destroy the system and make it socialist/communist in nature. Gotcha.

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist.

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

“As a white man”, do you feel good about having to qualify your existence?

What exactly made you think I’m angry? I’m just curious. I don’t understand the train of thought that you express, I’m trying to clarify your point of view to see if I can understand and perhaps adopt it if it makes sense. What is the underlying philosophy or school of thought you are ascribing to?

Who are the gatekeepers of what’s better and what exactly is a “whole lot better” to you? Do you think you have a moral mandate to educate others? Do you think lived experiences are more important than statistics that may show otherwise? In other words, moral relativism? Do you gravitate to group think or do you think rationally and research ideas before espousing beliefs?

Curious, what does your idealist world look like?

Keep your critical race theory bs to yourself.

I can agree it’s opinion and half measures don’t work. Reopen and keep it open is my viewpoint. Flattening the curve (Though we can debate on whether that was needed too) was and should still be the test, not the changing goal posts of when we find a vaccine etc. Political bent in everything these days.

I’m saying personal responsibility for individual families is needed on the first point. the second point you can to say definitively one way or the other because we were not testing as much and the clientele has changed from only sick to now anyone. There are no conclusions other than educated guesses, which for me is that this was much more prevalent and wide spread in the community than what we were told. Either way, there is no justification for shutting down again if there was one in the first place. One other thing, I was fine at first when we didn’t know. When we started to see the numbers not justifying our fears, it took an act of god to get some in government to admit and reopen. The media is again trying to stoke fear in hopes a shutdown will happen again, there justification is a means to bring down the right and trump. That’s it. Doesn’t matter if you agree or not in this attempt, that’s what it’s about. They’re scaring people into submission for that reason. How else does something that is so much less deadly continuing to scare people?

You're missing the point here buddy, the tests are open to many more other than just those who are feeling sick. There are people who are testing positive now that have no symptoms. This is something that was already thought to be the case. It's showing that the disease is much less deadly than originally thought. There are several places around where I live that are offering testing regardless and without the approval of doctors. Is there an actual uptick in the number of people dying? Nope. That sounds like a racist, or privileged, or something else that is offensive to the left, statement. Keep it down. Boom, what's the average life expectancy?