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I don’t disagree that he can feel violated, it’s not necessarily due to racism. It’s not systemic, that’s a lie. There are only 1000 deaths by police a year, that cannot be labeled systemic. Most of those are police killing white people. 350 million plus in this country, that’s not systemic. I can tell you that I don’t watch cable news at all but you’ve already made your narrative up in your own mind about me. You know, like CNN likes to do, create a narrative and then fit the story to it!

I’ll be whatever you want buttercup

There are trends, I agree. More violent crimes in minority communities, more likely to not cooperate. Both are easily traceable for worse outcomes. There is a systemic issues, we need to help those minority communities to understand that not all cops are out to get them. You watch to much CNN

They’re a violent mob when they take liberties against a police force who is not trying to start violence but are being thrown rocks/bottles at, spit at, attacked. They become pansies when those cops fight back when a riot is declared. Does that make sense? That I can agree with, but I would still state that this is due to the likely hood of a person to be billigerent. Like it or not, in minority communities, children are taught to fear and disrespect/throw a fit when being stopped by cops. Remnants of an old ideology that was clearly wrong back in the 60s and 70 that have been perpetuated through the decades. If you’re acting like a dummy, you’re more likely to get roughed up. Just be calm and you will have your day to fight back.

Yes, because the 100s of thousands of other time, many of which I’m sure people who were disrespectful get killed. Got it. Do people not understand that you only see the bad stuff, never the vast majority that don’t end up in death? Or is that lost on most people?

Oh ok, you’re really showing your cards and proving me right with this statement right here. The post modernist borne critical race theory seeks to deconstruct society and break it down so that there are no norms and everything is confused. The idea is to break down society into anarchy and then build it back up in the new leaders image, and create a utopia based on the gatekeepers of the new world order’s image. Of course this would be a dystopia that would create a fascist socialist/communist view where wrong think is paid with sever punishment up to and including death. Read the gulag archipelago to understand where we would be headed if nutcases that think like Bull end up in power. I didn’t say it was a success. Do you never make mistakes? Let me guess, the only answer to this is racism? That’s the only thing that could have happened here? Actually, it’s white people who feel bad and think they’re doing something good by geniflecting to the ideology. I believe the term is “useful idiots”?

No, he was not roughed up or killed, precisely because he acted respectfully. He fought the issue afterward and he did it the right way. Exactly what he should have done and now he can fight back by filing false arrest or suing. Good for him. Bullbuchanan was talking in general terms. I was fighting back against his narrative which is obviously steeped in critical race theory nonsense which people are finally waking up to.

What? Diety aka a God?

Anyone can challenge the law but it needs to be done inappropriately. There’s a reason why a lot of those videos you see start and end when the “victim” is being “victimized”. They don’t want you to see what happened leading up to that point as it won’t look good for the “victim” mentality they want to sow. A little respect for authority is needed, you can have your day in court. At the point of being pulled over or being stopped by a cop is not the time to act belligerent. They’d like to go home to their families and kids too and they don’t know what you’re going to do if you’re being belligerent and will act to pacify a threat, rightfully so. Be respectful, nothing will happen to you. Is it that hard?

So you’re saying all police act like Kings and Gods? You’re part of the problem, the country is waking up to dangers of your viewpoint.

Yes, attack character, that’s all you have. The phrase that’s said over and over again, and is not correct is that anyone not part of this critical race theory bs is on the wrong side of history. Facts, yes actual facts, don’t care about your feelings. Side note, interesting that you think you can tell a persons tone by what they write. Things often get lost in translation in the ether, but it’s not surprising you would think you could determine my disposition given what you believe.

I would not argue that racism has existed through the centuries, however, the movement of BLM is a new construct with old Marxist, intersectional, critics race theory tenants. It seeks to confuse everything and deconstruct society, and then consolidate power for itself in the reimagined new world order. A socialist/racist dystopia with fascist thought control. It’s all a power grab. I reject the idea of systemic racism in today’s society. The fact that you say “you can just observe” is just absolutely ridiculous. To those who are all about anti-racism today, absolutely everything is racist. The racist ideologies of the past do not continue on today in systemic fashion. There are some racists (and will unfortunately always be) but they are the exception not the rule anymore. There are racists against every race, including against whites (I reject the idea that racism is purely oppressor over operessor, that wrong idea is a new construct too). There will always be people who simply hate, they are the fringe. It’s not lost on me that you surreptitiously added in the date 1619, in a nod against the fiction that is the 1619 project which serves to try and rewrite history in a racist manner. You can say, individually, not all white people are racist and I agree with you but the book “white fragility” which is being adopted and taught in corporations around the country, asserts that if you’re whites and you don’t agree, you’re racist and you’re hiding it. If you agree you’re racist and you need to work against racism for the rest of your life and genuflect to the movement, but you can never rid yourself of racism. All simply because of the color of your skin, where have I heard that before? When I observe everyday Americans and their daily activities, very rarely will I see or hear anything racist. Your flippanr comment that people can just “observe” does not hold water. Its clear based on your response that you hold “lived experiences” more important than actual hard data which completely turn the entire idea that BLM started on its head and shows you how ridiculous it’s pretenses are. According to raw and official statistics from the gorvernment, Rougjly 1000 deaths (this number has been steady like this for decades) by cops happen every year. In a country that of over 350 million people that is a minuscule number which is anything but systemic, but we aren’t talking about even 1000 are we? No because the majority is police killing or white people. So let’s give the benefit of the doubt and give the percentage of 40 percent are black deaths at the hands of cops. What BLM is concerned about is white on black cops that were done for racist reasons. The majority of killings are justified (attacked the cops, death by suicide, etc). So let’s knock that down to 100. So 100 are black people being killed by cops that are not necessarily done the right way. Studies actually show that blacks are far more likely to die at the hands of a minority officer, so let’s knock a that number down the o about 30. Some of those are just simply bad policing or negligent with no racist undertones to them, let’s knock that down the to about 10-15. 10-15 could potentially be due to racist motivations. If true those people she be prosecuted for that reason, but there is no way you can all 10-15 incident systemic. Yet we see civil unrest due to “systemic racism” in police killings. It’s an absolute farce. What do I know, I’m using what people like you probably think is racist, numbers. Simply saying that there are so many things wrong with my statement and then going on a tangent about all these other amorphous ideas that don’t even speak to my argument at all, does not make you right, instead it makes you look silly.

It’s difficult if you think that the idea is completely false, that the majority of white people are not racist as the BLM and anti-racists believe (in fact you are racist no matter what based on your white skin color). Maybe he didn’t want to weigh in because he does not believe in the narrative and doesnt want to create any more controversy by saying so. If you look under the covers of what BLM stands for, it’s not what it seems. Maybe he found that and what he learned is that it’s not right what they stand for. You must be a disciple of the church of critical race theory. Your suggestion is to cow tow to far leftist ideas of the day. Why did you choose that direction? What if he doesn’t believe in all that ridiculousness?

Are you saying he wanted to take a position on something? I’m thinking he didn’t, but people apparently people think silence is violence and so staying out of the fray is considered inappropriate. That’s basically what the issue of this whole thing is. You can’t stay silent, you HAVE to be anti-racist all the time or you are racist (never mind that you’re racist simply because your white and there nothing you can do about it).

What is the acceptable response? Please tell us, you who are the gatekeeper of what is the appropriate response. if he would have said BLM is based on a false premise and that the numbers don’t bear out systemic racism within police murders of black people (spoiler they don’t) would you have been ok with that? Or would there be even more drama?

No answer as to your epistemology. Just wondering what drives your world view?

What informs you that it’s lackluster or perhaps dodging the question. Another words, what is your moral compass? Where does it come from?

So you don’t think he was “wrong” in his answer or not wanting to answer?

It’s never a reasonable expectation to expect someone to do what you want them to. Freedom and free will is paramount in this country and the way you are thinking is a direct attack on that.

Yes, I do see that as wrong. No one has a right to another persons genuflection to their ideology. No matter how noble you think it is. Since when has it become ok to demand someone to tell you what you want them to hear and then cry foul if they don’t do what you want them to? It’s bush league for a reporter, and a general stain on today’s society. What if what Fromm learned is something more nuanced and not does not agree with the general drivel of the BLM. What would have happened if he said he’s against a lot of what they stand for? Would you have applauded him for saying so or would he have been called a racist for having dared have a differing opinion.

Not following what you’re saying. Are you saying that since he’s learning about the topic that he absolutely must describe the situation just the way the reporter wants, and by extension, BLM wants him to say? What the reporter is saying is that he doesn’t have the right NOT to have a position on the subject. His position must be “right” or if it’s wrong, and he has a more nuanced view than the broad strokes and generalizations that BLM wants, Fromm will be raked through the coals. So what is your point exactly?

This is the problem with the BLM, they are now the arbiters of what is right and wrong to say. That’s exactly what this is stemming from. Fromm said nothing wrong but to a Supporter of what BLM actually stands for, this is the way they will see this.

I’m not blaming anyone for this, these are all well intentioned people that think they are doing something right. The facts/statistics just dont even nearly confirm this. The only thing that statistics show are that black people are more likely to be “roughed up” than white people. If you take into account the proportion of black peoples who cause violent crimes and take that into consideration, the proportion makes more sense, but that’s racist right?

I said who it was in parenthesis.

I’m rather enjoying the back and forth.