BillsFan130

We are in the same agreement that the receivers aren't good. Where we disagree is how much it's on Joe Brady. Cosell even broke down how elementary their passing concepts are, and says in practice they are more concerned about their receivers going over run blocking, opposed to the actual pass offence. I just don't think it would change a lot if we had an alpha and I would point to 2023 as some evidence to back up my point. But we can agree to disagree. (I def agree with you that the receivers do suck and I'm not arguing that)

Fair. My overall point though is Joe Brady holds the passing offence back- We saw it in 2023 when the receivers were descent. And to your point, the receivers also suck. I just don't think if we had an alpha receiver, that it would dramatically change our offence as our passing concepts are extremely elementary

Ok let's say this.. Diggs 2023 and Waddle right now. Probably pretty close for talent, right? Give or take. And in 2023 Diggs production was awful when Joe Brady took over. So my question to you is- Even if the bills traded for waddle, what makes you think the Bills would maximize the investment under Joe Brady? As we had a good receiver with Diggs and a decent receiving group in totality in 2023, but the passing game production wasn't good when Brady took over

That's fair. I think the percentage is a bit more even though The receivers suck, but every single receivers numbers are down since joining the bills with Brady Moore can get over 600 yards with Cleveland but he can barely get a jersey on the bills? Diggs was on pace for over 1000 yards in 2023 with the bills but then his production takes a nose dive when Joe comes in. Point being: The receivers are bad, but we have a pretty big sample size that most receivers usually have career low stats with joe brady, with the exception of maybe Shakir

Im not here to argue that the bills have good players on offence. They don't. You just quoted saying that Joe Brady isn't a problem. I gave you the all 22 breakdown to show you he is a problem. Everything else is a moot point cause I'm not disagreeing with you that they don't have a lot of talent. Two things can be true. 1. Joe Brady is a problem 2. The talent isn't good enough

Yes it is overrated cause that's how we built the offence lol. Look at the passing game struggles we have now because we revolved our offence around a RB. It's overrated to have "balance". Just Score points... Andy Reid one of the best play callers in nfl history has historically been "bad" at abandoning the run. Yes I do. He was literally coming off back to back playoff games where he took Spags and Belichick to school. What other coach can ever say that? Unless you're not going to give him any credit for that. Mike McDaniel is the one exception lol... What other offensive coaches get hired when they weren't a good play caller beforehand? Serious question .

Well you stated that Joe Brady isn't a problem, so I assumed that implies you think coaching isn't an issue. (Which contradicts your first point and I was giving examples how it was a major problem)

That's a bit harsh IMO. You don't get a head coaching job by being a poor play caller. He certainly didn't get it from being a "calm" leader lol. Peak Bills offence in the McDermott era will always be 2021 playoffs when Daboll was calling plays. Running the ball can be so overrated at times. Just score points. Does anyone actually care that the Bills didn't run the ball a lot when they had the perfect game against New England in the playoffs, and then 36 points in the 13 seconds game ?

Ya but you have to do something to help out your o line. Whether that's chipping, or keeping an extra guy into block. It's unacceptable to basically put your backup o lineman on an island against Will Anderson. If you do leave 5 man protection, you NEED to have quick routes and not spam Mesh. Joe Brady failed this offence in so many ways on Thursday night and it's remarkable Josh didn't leave with a serious injury

Pretty much every OC has flaws and bad play calls. I don't think any fan base actually likes their OC. Even the chiefs are sick of Andy lol. Daboll is a proven good play caller in this league who has a great relationship with Josh. I would rather him than someone like Davis Webb who has no experience calling plays

https://youtu.be/UOknd4MmQOE?si=eB3GvjQ2OAgc0EIQ I would highly recommend listening to Joe Marinos all 22 if you think Joe Brady isn't a problem. Couple main things he goes over, which doesn't even include some of his goofy play calls: 1. Bills had a 5 man protection 90 percent of the time against Houston... Even though anyone could see their protection couldn't hold up and factoring in they were playing with a backup right tackle for parts of the game, the bills refused to help their o line with an extra blocker. 2. Bills relied way too much on mesh- These routes take forever to develop. So Joe Brady is spamming this concept, with a 5 man protection scheme that couldn't hold up🤮 3. Houston gave a ton of light boxes. Bills averaged 6 yards a run, but Cook only had 17 carries in the game. No one is saying he has a ton to work with. But that doesn't excuse Joe Brady. And This is far from Joe Brady's only bad game. He is absolutely horrible at making in game adjustments

Yep all 3 of them are a big problem if we are being honest here.

If you blame Brady, then you have to blame Mcdermott also. 1. Mcdermott hired him 2. He wanted a run first, clock control offence. Which is why him and Dabs didn't get along. Joe Brady is bad, but it's not going to change a lot if Mcdermott hand picks another conservative, clock control coordinator.

Check the video that Einstein and Alpha posted in this thread and on this page with Emmanuel Acho breaking down the routes and protection It basically confirms what @Einstein saw

Yep. I literally made a thread after that game saying the passing game was a problem and got laughed at with about 30 eye rolls lol. It was so obvious to see. Just had to take off the homer glasses off and look at the film, and not the 3-0 start

This is one of many things I can't stand about Mcdermott... He has no problem calling joe brady out after games, but he NEVER steps in mid game to intervene. Just like the atlanta game when cook wasn;t used in the 4th quarter. His quote after the game: "Ya ill talk to Joe about that" He is the head coach... Instead of addressing these things mid game, he throws his coordinator under the bus after the game

That was probably some of the most depressing film I've ever seen lol. Its amazing Josh got out of this game without a serious injury

McDermott thrilled about giving up 23 points to a Davis Mills led team lol

You can't just spot a crap offence 20 points in the first half. Over 200 yards and 20 points in one half is unacceptable against any team, nevertheless playing against Davis Mills. Did it get better? For sure. But it's still not good enough on defence in totality

McDermott is not getting fired. I would say very slight chance Brady does. McDermott and Josh both basically called him out after last nights game, which isn't great for him. I of course don't think he will if I had to bet , but I wouldn't rule it out

It can be worse. But it's definitely a bet they have to take as McDermott has Ran his course here. I would have fired him after 13 seconds

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/sean-mcdermott-josh-allen-takes-too-many-hits-weve-got-to-figure-that-out It's always somebody else's fault with McDermott. Really starting to dislike this guy more and more. "The offensive scheme has to get better". How about your defensive scheme bud? Giving up 200 yards and 20 points in the 1st half to Davis Mills

Couldn't agree more with you as you're spot on

I made a thread that the bills have a passing game problem after the 3-0 start and probably got like 30 Eye rolls. They have had issues all year. It's been very obvious to see all season long