What a Tuel

When have I ever pretended I have a system or even know which QB to pick? I have faith Beane will do the right thing, but if he passes up on trading up with this draft capital at this point in time, then he better damn well have a plan B for QB that works, and he better pray that a team like the Jets who beat him to the punch don't strike gold, because that would be a nightmare for us just departing from the Tom Brady era. Like I said from the beginning, the plan is to get it right. Beane needs to find the guy he wants and get him whether it be Rudolph or Rosen or McCarran. He just needs to make the right decision. Edit: And while I obviously know that is easier said than done, that is his job as General Manager to make these kinds of calls and be right at crucial moments.

I was talking about your logic that none of these QBs are worth trading up for because no one is calling offering a multitude of picks. You don't know that they aren't being given trade offers for the first overall pick. Your argument boils down to "because no one has already traded up, then it obviously isn't worth trading up for" "If there were a consensus number 1 then the Brown's would have been flooded with trade offers for the number one overall pick."

This logic defies the fact that Goff and Wentz weren't a consensus number 1 "go get em" QBs. Their teams found the guy they wanted and went out and got him. Mahomes wasn't either. Trubisky wasn't either. Watson wasn't either. And yet all 5 of those QBs had teams trading up to get them and all 5 of those teams are in arguably better positions than the Bills right now. You don't need to get the "consensus number 1 guy", you just have to get it right. Time will tell with those QBs, and some will likely not work out, but you have to try. You will be waiting a long time relying on finding a Tom Brady in the castaway pile.

The point is to get it right. If you don't think our GM can get this right, then we already lost.

To be fair I didn't click because I didn't want to give this kind of a story any traffic. But I get it now.

Good thing we have Beane to put this small unthreatening trade out with his big shoe.

We've got one thread saying it would take all of this years picks and some of next years to move up. And you've got this thread saying that the Patriots are in position to somehow "block us" from getting a QB despite having considerably less draft capital. To top it all off, trading all of their picks to "block" the bills and not even wanting a QB themselves TOTALLY sounds like something Bill Belichick would do. Get a grip guys, and don't click on the damn link practically making fun of our insecurity.

How is 23, 31, and 2019 X in any way better than 12, 21, and 2019 <X? Unless we plan on surpassing the Pats this year. I'd be for that, but even then its not likely that the difference between the 2019 pick outweighs the massive difference we hold over them right now and I can't imagine any team would depend on that happening right now with Brady still playing.

It has been discussed non stop for weeks though. If someone really knows the key, they should go apply for a job. Most of us just want the draft to come now and our course to be set for better or for worse.

So how does AJ McCarron and Tyrod Taylor hold up to this? Worse? Ok, we agree then, move up and draft a better QB.

It isn't the only thing that matters. Its the only thing you can't do without.

In 2014 the Vikings traded up for Bridgewater in 2014 costing them 2nd and 4th round selections. In 2016 the Vikings drafted Treadwell with a 1st round pick. Guy has 21 catches 215 yards total. In 2017 the Vikings traded a 1st round pick and 4th round pick for Bradford. But yeah the Vikings sure didn't invest in QB and would sure miss those picks.

So you are going on record right now and saying the Bills had the playoff drought because they missed on drafting and that was more detrimental than missing on QB?

You might as well say Brady. They aren't trading either.

Not to mention we have tried playing the "fill the holes on the team" game during that time. Like really tried. It was never enough. The vast consensus of what held us back during these years was lack of a QB. Even if we just get one on our roster and even if we don't fill those holes through the draft for 2 years because of it, we can always fill those holes in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 and free agency. We won't be in the position we are in now for a long while.

With your logic right now we have 3 firsts, 3 seconds, 3 thirds to fill your 7 (potentially 8 holes) including the most important position QB. What is that an 89% hit rate for starting players? You conveniently leave the hit rate out of it for the other positions. I don't know why you are so vehemently against using 4 of those 9 picks on a QB and 5 on filling out the roster. Thats 3 freaking extra draft picks to land a QB. After 18 years of "filling out the roster" you should know this.

Except we could do a bunch of this AND get our QB? Why are we adding in picks we wouldn't be giving up as part of the consequence? If we give up the maximum projected which is 3 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd in return for a 1st rounder, we still have 12 picks for the next two years to fill holes instead of 16.

I am going to steal BBFS for this one. Bills fans are a beaten down bunch who believe what can go wrong will go wrong.

Tyrod ran because he would not throw the ball. He often had tons of time.

They don't have to win though. They just have to be better than the Chargers and be more active in the media making moves and being the happening team. If he botches it and turns out worse than the Chargers then all bets are off. Just look at the Giants / Jets of the last 20 years.

It is plenty of risk. The top 5 picks are not going QB because like you say in this very post, teams are only interested if "their guy" will be there - i.e. Giants and Darnold. So it is very risky for the Colts to trade back to 6 bc the Browns and Broncos may pick the guy they wanted, not to mention the Giants picking a non QB. It only feels like wait and see mode bc we literally don't know what will happen. We have no reports of the Giants rejecting or sitting on an offer.

Why would the colts commit? This pessimism about the bills has been beaten into us for 18 years, but get a grip guys. We have to get past this "what can go wrong will go wrong" moping. It is getting old.

Evil magic is right. Hogan? The guy has put up less than stellar Goodwin like stats with Brady throwing. But sooooo good amiright? We need to draft a QB, and that is the bottom line. This year we have the capital to do it. Best come to terms with it.

So why not just get a 1st rounder for him instead?

I did. I remember being happy for fantasy bc I had Brady as a keeper , but also I was happy the Pats wouldn't have a 1st rounder. Thought it was way too much for Cooks.