What a Tuel

He drew 2 PI/Illegal Contact Penalties + that catch and was blocking like mad in their first game. I thought he did pretty well for the little he played. Gonna boot up yesterdays right now, and see what he did last night despite no catches.

Exactly. "Manning is old, washed up. We should try to trade him while he still has value!"

5/9 39 yards. 49ers are doomed.

I was going to elaborate on the whole Brady thing, but it's just going to open a can of worms. The point was that I was trying to point out that QB's and WR's can be out of sync at times, and provided an example of a QB being out of sync with his WR's. That is just one of the many issues we had last night other than "EJ is garbage" which I know you didn't say. 27 passes in one half is a lot, maybe they wanted EJ to shine and it backfired. Last year he attempted 30 a game on average. I know Tuel looked pretty crisp and decisive last year in the Preseason

Bills WR core being Watkins Woods and Williams? On another note what was with the first drive going with the shotgun on three straight plays. Especially on 3rd and 1?

The point wasn't to compare Brady to EJ I thought I made that clear. The point was to point out that every play, there are a number of things going on besides EJ throwing the ball. It's like people just pile on though. Play after play, it just builds on them, and they begin to blame EJ for every pass. Let's just drop it though, I should never have brought it up. Commercials don't help either, waiting 10 minutes to watch 2 minutes of game, just to see in incompletion gets on people's nerves. Thats why I suggest watching the condensed version of the game. It cuts out the crap, and the waiting, and you might actually see that it wasn't as bad as you think. That's a good way of putting it. I say give him time to develop, and sync up with his receivers before we turn on him, rather than saying "he is garbage" and sulking for the next 2 years until we draft another RD1 QB to throw into the fire.

Not only that but they blame every incompletion on the QB. Does anyone notice that when Brady threw errant passes last year, they were talking about the WR's not running routes properly, and breaking when they shouldn't and vice versa? not that Brady sucks. Manuel isn't Brady, and Manuel did make some poor throws last night, but there is a lot more going on there than meets the eye. Like I said somewhere else, rewatch the game condensed on Preseason Live it'll take 20 minutes to watch the first half, and I think you guys will feel a little better. I did at least.

That's my take. I try telling the people who watch it with me this, but they see their EJ bashing as productive analysis of the game. I see it as a whole lot of negativity in week 2 of the preseason. Wait all year to be down on your team and depressed ala "woe is me"? No thank you.

The problem people have is that the "QB discussion" you seem to love goes like this: Poster 1: EJ Manuel is not the answer. He clearly isn't good. Poster 2: Give him time to develop. Poster 1: You must not be watching close enough. It goes like this with people in person too. People don't like that Manuel doesn't pass their "eye test" and are too impatient to give him time to develop.

I suggest people get a hold of the condensed version of the game, and watch it again. I watched it last night, and I was very disappointed. Just watched it again with the condensed version on Preseason Live this morning, and it wasn't as bad as it felt. The sky isn't falling.

Anyone come out with some new clever names for their fantasy football teams? I came up with Pegula Oblongata, but it would suck if he didn't get the team. I think I might risk it though.

Agreed. It's like we move from player to player and act as if our team is too good for said player. It's obnoxious. Trading Spiller is a bad idea, and releasing him next year isn't great either, I do not want to see him on another team, god forbid a division rival who may utilize him properly and make us sorry.

Was that before or after we moved up to pick up a new number 1 receiver? If you watched any of the draft day videos, they weren't completely sure they would get Watkins until Cleveland called them back minutes before their pick. Prior to the draft Stevie Johnson was our #1 receiver and a huge part of our team. What part was false? Edit: I just realized that if Whaley would have said what you wanted him to say "CJ Spiller is a part of this team and will play a big role with this club",(using different words of couse) you wouldn't have believed him anyway.

You are creating a conspiracy out of nothing. (By you, I mean everyone in this thread who thinks this is some double speak) Whaley specifically said: "Again, no one, I'll tell you guys and you know I'm a straight shooter," Whaley said. "We have not been contacted by any teams. I can probably see where people see our depth at running back and try to connect the dots with teams that don't have depth, but, again, nobody has contacted us." Do you really think Whaley meant "Look guys, I am a straight shooter, we haven't been contacted by any teams, and trade rumors are news to me, but little do you guys know, I am lying and I am secretly calling up teams myself and shopping Spiller"

Why are you abandoning the entire context of the news reports saying Chip Kelly was inquiring about spiller etc. That is what this article was referring to, news that teams were inquiring about Spiller. Then you create a conspiracy theory because Whaley didn't address himself contacting other teams? That wasn't the news, nor was it the question!

Geez, people need to get off of Wilsons n***..... He was a better pick than Graham obviously, but Seattle had him starting backup to Flynn if you remember, Despite what people claim, most did not "know" he was going to be a decent qb, and the jury is still out if he is going to be a great qb. Also who does Seattle have to backup Wilson? Jackson and Pryor? Why didn't they draft someone "just in case" to develop and stuff? Its a whole bunch of what ifs and its obnoxious. For every Russell Wilson we could've picked up "as a diamond in the rough" there are a few other QBs we could have wasted picked on too. Just because you witnessed one (russell wilson), or two (tom brady) does not mean we should start wasting draft picks hoping to find one as well.

That article seems to be very misinformed and inaccurate. Fairly certain "One pegula would need to own the sabres, and the other pegula would need to own the bills" isn't accurate. Or "f the NFL didn’t try to stop the Bills from playing games in Toronto for the past six years (there won’t be a Bills game played in Toronto this year), the league has little legal ground to stop the team from moving to Toronto. " Didn't read the rest of it because of the above.

And so it begins again with a different player. Same made up BS. Why do Bills fans do this? Maybe its any fan base, but it always seems like Bills fans are mentally preparing to be passed over by every player and their mother.

Sounds logical to me. Let's hope Pegula's supposed 1.3 billion holds strong. I think I am just going to put my head in the ground (yeah right) until october when they will likely confirm whoever it is. 2 short months...meanwhile we have football to keep us occupied.

Who exactly is out there that you guys wouldn't be complaining about if we had him? Bridgewater? The guy that is likely sitting (like a rookie should be) his first year? Bortles, who is also likely sitting? Heresy! They are first round picks, and they are there to kick ass, take names, and chew bubblegum! We have a complex where we seem to believe that our current players will never be enough. I know, I know, a 14 year playoff drought will do that to you, but that doesn't mean it isn't annoying. Edit: Come to think of it, we could have Peyton Manning, and I bet there would be our share of Eeyore's going "Yeah we gave up next years 1st round pick! what if Manning retires next year!" I agree. Let the guy breathe, there will be plenty of time for hatred, bashing, venting, etc if he doesn't work out. He is getting a try whether you like it or not, so we should all be throwing our support behind him rather than edging him off of a cliff.

Who is talking about them owing me anything? We are football fans craving knowledge about our favorite team, you guys need to lighten up.

I think people would just be happy with more information pertaining to if he is going to be able to play or not. Aside from his well being, no one really cares what he has beyond that. Something, anything, better than letting rumors fly that this may jeopardize his season.

You know, I saw this come through on my phone a couple days ago, and started to flip out. Then after I minute, I said it's probably nothing. Then today I come to TBD and have you guys scare the crap out of me. Privacy is privacy but I would love to know wtf is going on.

He also won at least one game winning catch in the Carolina game. But that one doesn't count, blown coverage amiright? It wouldn't bother me if a team like the Jaguars picked him up, but a yearly playoff contender saw value in him, so obviously his value isn't limited to "drops and antics". I have noticed fans like to emotionally play down losses of good players, and play up gains of good players on the team which leads to these kinds of debates. That is why we are fans, way too emotional to objectively look at situations.

Don't get me wrong I am too! It's going to be a great season!