What a Tuel

Setting aside whether he is average or not, the fact is he was the only proven receiver on our team. I agree Watkins, and Woods should be good, but Goodwin, and Williams are still question marks. At the very least they should have waited until after the season. We aren't better after trading him. We took another weapon away from Manuel. I have a buddy thats a niners fan, and he is pretty happy that they landed Johnson for a conditional 4th. Enjoy the playoffs Stevie!

Haha, we could go round and round. That is why I said its a matter of perception. I heard a rumor the Patriots offered a 3rd for Stevie Johnson at some point? Is this true? Or is this old news just resurfacing?

And we have 3 less picks. If you bought a car for $20,000 and put $12,000 down. You would not say you paid $8,000 for the car.

This is clearly about perception. Picking Sammy Watkins at 9 (if he fell to us) comes at the cost of not picking another player. So yes that pick counts towards what we paid for him.

Right. We have Sammy Watkins at the cost of this years 1st round pick. Now what happened to next years 1st and 4th? They don't count towards that cost?

Why do we need only one good receiver on the team? This is akin to the falcons going - Well we have Julio Jones now....time for Roddy White to go.

So would you say that since they net out for Gilbert that he didn't cost them any picks? I mean they got an extra 1st in return. So Gilbert didn't cost them anything? Or did he cost them 1 pick?

We didn't give up or 1st round pick to the Browns. You are 100% right on that. We spent it though. We spent this years, next years 1st and next years 4th. Those 3 picks are gone to select one player. How can you argue this? Again I didn't have a problem with it, until we gave away our best receiver (until proven otherwise) to do it. This could all fall apart very easily if Watkins doesn't turn out, or Williams does something stupid, or isn't deemed with 6 million next year.

How do you figure? Johnson had more yards, and tds with less games played. I won't argue that Woods might have more upside, but statistically Johnson was better last year despite playing through injuries.

No. We no longer have a fourth round pick in 2015, and we no longer have this years 1st, and next years 1st. All for Watkins. (Which I didn't have a problem with, until we got rid of our best receiver (until proven otherwise) to recoup the 4th round pick)

Because we spent 2 first round picks. We spent this years 1st, and next years 1st. We aren't getting next years back. So the Bills used two firsts and a fourth to grab Watkins.

This is just absurd. What if Williams doesn't work out? What if he isn't worth $6+ million? We would be down to Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin. We essentially just spent two 1st rounders and stevie Johnson on Watkins. Overkill?

I guess what I am asking is why you have so much faith in Williams? Or Goodwin? Why wouldn't it be: 1. Woods 2. Watkins 3. Johnson 4. Williams 5. GoodWin As for the Williams/Johnson comparison, the stats tell us Johnson has had better years as our #1 every year despite mediocre QB play. Williams played with Freeman, who wasn't horrible, and opposite Jackson. He is also an absolute unknown to our team. We could just as easily be letting Williams go next year when his salary hits. You are most certainly jumping the gun with throwing away Johnson. We have nothing to gain by trading him right now.

Alphadawg, you are falling into the hype and are jumping with no chute. You are placing 4 receivers who have not done better than Stevie Johnson a single year ahead of him on the depth chart. I have the same high hopes for our receiver core too, but I would rather have Stevie than a 4th round pick.

Everyone keeps talking about having too many receivers now. What happens if we determine Williams isn't worth the $6million next year? In addition do we really take graham or Easley over Stevie? People are jumping the gun. Let's see how they all work together this year before we start throwing good players away.

Is the handbook actually a set of rules? Or is it just tips for them? It reads like a set of tips to avoid problems.

I think the problem people are having with statements such as the one you quoted is that people freak out when OBD attempts to make rules that may reduce the level of drunken idiots. Obviously, at that point OBD is just trying to ruin their fun. But attempting to have a family friendly environment is considered just craziness. People "should just leave their kids at home". Maybe it's because they know it won't change, or what, but its just nonsensical to hear the words "Don't bring your kid to the game, the drunken idiots might be bothered/bother him/her" I'm guilty of tailgating myself but I agree it is just out of control there sometimes. I would love to take my nephew to games but the crowd turns me off quite a bit to that. Sabres games are much better, I genuinely wonder why...probably the tailgating aspect.

Pardon my lack of post history, but you are just being absurd. Jackson has no history of this. There was 1:52 left in the (EDIT: First half, second quarter haha) second half, he was clearly looking for a ref to quickly throw the ball to. It shouldn't have been a penalty or a fine. Stop being ridiculous.

This right here. I don't understand how people think he will receive a top contract next year if he doesn't play well this year. I don't think it's even guaranteed he would receive a top contract from another team this year if we didn't tag him.

The Patriots team in it's entirety does not have to be healthy for a win against them to be valid. All I was saying is we don't have to go around hoping they aren't healthy so we can win. Anyway, its neither here or there. I just wanted to put my two cents in on why it isn't good sportsmanship to "hope for injuries". Not to mention the karma factor is undeniable. How many bills fans were happy when brady hurt his knee? Karma sure did balance that one out.

I don't post often, if at all, but I wanted to say there is a distinct difference between playing and beating a team that has an injured player, and playing and hoping a team has injured players. They don't all have to be healthy, you just don't have to hope they aren't.

Again, just like you aren't saying it is just Fitz, we aren't saying it is just the defense. Most people acknowledge that Fitz is not a franchise QB for us, however he is not the cause of the Bills being 3-6, nor is he the leading factor. So it is quite frustrating when all I hear from friends and family is that we need a new QB as if it will transform the team. Not only that but they insist we draft a rookie and throw him into the fire. I am saying, YES let's draft a QB however let's do it right for once. Fitz is suitable for the time being. As for the "told you so", you all do the same everytime he makes a mistake. You know how many texts I got at the end of that game complaining about Fitz because he threw that pick? People ignore the fact that the defense failed to stop the Patriots from scoring 7 out of 9 drives.

Yep, and he has quite a few less TD's than Fitzpatrick. Granted he is a rookie. The teams that drafted Wilson, Tannehill, Luck and Robert Griffin had Matt Moore, Tarvaris Jackson, Curtis Painter and Rex Grossman as their QB's. Each of them had less TD's total last year than Fitz has currently in 10 games.. I have this conversation with friends and family consistantly. I understand that we need and want a franchise QB, we crave it to have our own Brees, Manning, or RG3. Most people believe drafting a rookie qb first overall will transform this team. That it will give the team the "energy" to win games. It's a bunch of BS. Our biggest need right now is on defense, coaching, players whatever you think it is but it is simply defense. Changing our QB situation will not win us more games, because we score the points required to win. Our defense does not prevent the number of points required to win. We will never be good with a 30pts allowed a game defense. I do agree we need to draft a QB, we should have drafted one in this past draft. Let's go out and pick up a QB in the draft next year, but please oh please don't demand him to start next year! Give him time to develop and let Fitz do his thing under a hopefully improved defense next year. Give Fitz a break. Damn. I read this site without posting, just skimming what people are saying, and this time I had to say something.

Does anyone know of a clear audio clip of Chris Berman and the "Nobody Circles the Wagons like the Buffalo Bills" I can't find a clear one anywhere that I can embed into my fantasy page.