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“Fur ball. Dame Judi Dench is old school.” Had me rolling. “James Cordon was a big, fat p**sy AND appeared in Cats.” Too funny.

I doubt he will be there to say no to, anyway.

If we can fix the special teams for the second half of the season and simply maintain our 5x5 proficiency, we may, MAY, have a chance to get back in it. Regarding 5x5, I was surprised to hear that Jack had more points than McDavid at even strength when we played Edmonton last Thursday.

Terrible plays by Brown. Just not NFL caliber. Especially on the first pass. Josh has little margin for error as it is so it’s really frustrating when he can’t get just a little help out there.

It’s interesting that only Bogo and Roslovic, the player the Jets selected with the 25th overall pick in the ‘15 draft that Murray included in the deal, are the only two players still with the two teams involved in the trade. And they both aren’t very good.

If Tre isn’t worth paying, then who is?

I don’t have much to add, but this is a fair criticism of McD for sure. My hope is that McD, like the rest of the team, can use all of this experience and grow from it. I hope the loss leaves as bitter a taste in his mouth as it does his players.

Man, after reading some of the mindless crap around here since the game ended, this post is a cool drink of water. Much appreciated.

I know. That’s what Pereira said. Is he more informed or referencing a different rule? I don’t know. Fall to ground, or kneel, ALSO make no immediate effort to advance. You and others insist on making the second and third criteria a single criteria. Reasonable minds can interpret that wording differently, which I tried to point out. Rules governing actions in the field of play during normal downs may differ from rules governing actions in the endzone during the act of fielding a kickoff. I’ll leave it at that. The “interpretation” was that the player gave himself up. That was the explanation given on the field. Your waiting is over.

Regarding that, Mike Pereira said that even if the returner doesn’t down the ball in the endzone, the act of tossing the ball to the official or dropping the ball intentionally means he is deemed to have given himself up. Thought that was interesting as that was the explanation given by the ref on the field as well. As for the other elements of the give yourself up rule, I think some here are misreading the use of the word “and” in the list of the three criteria. It is clearly meant as “also” as the first two are OBVIOUS that there is no clear and immediate effort to advance; you are on the ground, so the third defined element would be redundant. “Making no immediate effort to advance” can be done without falling to the ground or kneeling in order to demonstrate no effort to advance as we see when a player simply catches the ball and stands there before tossing it to the ref, for instance. People can debate these words until the end of time, but it’s clear to me why the refs made the determination they did in their interpretation.

So fans should only show support when their team wins. Got it. There’s a word for that. High Football IQ? You’re referring to soccer, right?

When simulcasting, the solution lies in just having the then play by play guy just call the game like its a radio broadcast only. Problem is, Dunleavy absolutely BLOWS at descriptive, informative play by play, regardless. He’s the worst hockey guy ever. Bad on TV, absolutely horrendous on radio.

I think precedent played a big role in the play and that is the precedent established in every game every week this year of returners in their own endzone giving the safe signal and then nonchalantly trotting off the field. Every. Game. Every. Week. Yes, the Houston return man absolutely brain cramped as he took it for granted after the giving the safe signal. And yes, the ref who gave us the TD was correct in his call. I also think overturning that call was right per the spirit of the rules. I see no conflict there. If that makes me a bad fan, so be it. That’s all I got.

Because this power WAS only limited to the issue of a player giving the safe signal, in the endzone, on a kickoff. I just don’t share your doomsday prediction that this same kind of one and done issue will all of a sudden permeate EVERY call or non call referees make moving forward. There were FAR more egregious calls and non calls made for me to be more concerned about moving forward. But those calls are ubiquitous and made on routine plays on normal downs in the field of play and NOT the kind of rare play we saw in the endzone on Saturday.

The returner gave the safe signal indicating no intention of returning it. That’s a requirement when fielding a kickoff in the endzone under the modified kickoff rules enacted to better protect blockers. That’s the first requirement. The second is to leave the ball alone. He didn’t do that, obviously. Since the Gillislie play occurred before the modified rules were enacted, it really has no relevance to the current day issue. But yeah, I was mad about that play since Gillislie should have been more aware.

There IS no consolation. If the overturned TD and blindside block penalty were the sole reasons we lost, perhaps I’d be more outraged. But there were approximately 65 other plays on both sides of the ball that had a direct bearing on the outcome as well. I just can’t agree with your take on the enormity of the that two minute discussion or the slippery slope aspect of it as well. I feel the officials had more justified cause to overturn the call on the field than they do in most other reviews. We can agree to disagree and move on.

No sense waiting, it’s futile. What happened Saturday was unprecedented. And it will never happen again. Look for the safe signal in the endzone to be adopted as a new dead ball rule. Wait, what? CBS is saying that multiple touchdowns by kickoff coverage teams have been scored in the same fashion we saw Saturday?

Too late. You made it about that when you introduced the “tough guy” trope to the thread. Yep. Just realized that.

Damn! Now that’s something to consider! My head is gonna explode going though the permutations here. Of course. I was referring to an actual fair catch.

Sure. At least until common sense has an opportunity to prevail, as in this instance. I know, right? What a pitiful display of whining to behold.

This is not an insignificant point here. Devin Hester never returned a kick from nine yards deep AFTER signaling his blockers that the return is off. If memory serves, he had pretty good blocking on his way to the endzone after he played possum and the coverage team let up.

I think what transpired on Saturday just may serve as the catalyst for it to be made a public point of emphasis. Witness this debate in this thread. Glad you’re also a fan of common sense. That makes three in this thread, I think.

I know that and I don’t maintain that he did. I was answering a hypothetical regarding an attempted return after a fair catch.