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Fair points all regarding the NFL. Regarding Fromm, unless he can apologize and his teammates can forgive him in a manner that satisfies MY outrage, it can’t truly be considered genuine. Even though it’s none of my business.

Mike DeGeorge is the head of communications for the BPD and after reading his explanation in today’s BN, I accept his explanation regarding the initial reports about this incident. It seems like an honest mistake and I choose to take him at his word. There was also an article citing several experts on police tactics, etc., and I side with the one who is of the opinion that it was “lawful, but awful.” These officers and their commander needed to exercise better judgement in the moment, but I disagree with the decision to charge them with assault. A period of suspension without pay would suffice, imo. EDIT: Since my original posts are cited above for reference and I retract them in total, I’m gonna delete them from the thread.

That’s what this is about. It isn’t just about Kaepernick or BLM or your brotherhood at this point. Based totally on anecdotes? I don’t think the witnessed and video recorded murder of a citizen by a law enforcement officer who saw fit to kneel on the neck of his victim for nearly nine minutes, in spite of the victim’s repeated pleas to breathe, qualifies as anecdotal. Makes one wonder what happens at the hands of unfit enforcement officers when cameras aren’t around. If you can’t see that as a fair question, then I submit your own bias clouds your judgment. Then again it’s just easier to say we are all lemmings who need to have these atrocities explained to us.

Seems to be more your boogeyman more than anyone else’s. BOO!? Really?

The NFL officially thinks otherwise as evidenced by their statement yesterday.

I’m perfectly steady, thank you. But it’s hard to sit here and read, in the midst of what’s occurred over the last dozen days or so, some of the stuff posted to justify certain takes on the matter. Imo, that qualifies as a WTF moment if anything does.

I know I said I wouldn’t get in yet another WEO rabbit hole, but I won’t let you bastardize my words, either. I have CLEARLY stated, REPEATEDLY throughout this thread, that “contrition, apology, and forgiveness” have to be a PART of the process for change moving forward. Nowhere did I suggest that apology and forgiveness are all it takes; as if actions aren’t the ultimate proof of change. And contrition and seeking forgiveness are integral in changing minds like Fromm. It’s a mandatory, small first step.

Is that what this has become? A contest between how many whites vs. how many blacks have been subject to police brutality over the years? WTF!!!

You seem to have me confused with those who want to some how defend Jake Fromm. I don’t know what he apologized for, but I hope he started with all of it, as I said previously. I don’t know how his message was received by his teammates and coaches nor will I pretend to know each and everyone of their reasons to accept an apology or not. I can’t project my outrage onto people I don’t know as easily as others I guess. I will reiterate one last time my entire theme in my posts in this thread: If we are going to make meaningful and sustainable change as a society then contrition, apology, and forgiveness must be part of the cornerstones of that effort. It will be impossible otherwise. That’s really all I have to say in response to your posts. I will not get sucked into another WEO rabbit hole.

Per the bold, how do you know he didn’t attempt do that when he asked to address the team? Face it, he has to do it in a fashion YOU find acceptable otherwise is simply doesn’t suffice. Even though what transpires between him and his teammates or whoever else is none of your business. As for the rest of your post, way to miss the point entirely.

I’m not in a position to know what Fromm should apologize for, but I’d start with “all of it” if I had to start somewhere. More importantly, I’m not in a position to know why people should or shouldn’t accept his apology. That’s up to them as individuals. Fromm aside, I DO know that if we are really going to engender genuine, sustainable change as a society, then contrition, apology, and forgiveness are essential to process of transformation. Per the bold text, while 20 is no longer childhood, it isn’t exactly the age of wisdom, either. I’ve never met a 20 year old that had much of anything figured out about life and the world we live in. Far from it. That’s not an excuse for Fromm, so don’t go there. It’s me saying you should check your own files for the stupid, uninformed things you said and did at age 20. Things you may even have sought forgiveness for.

All Fromm can do is offer his contrition and ask for forgiveness. Being forgiven is not up to him. Will you be upset if he is forgiven by those who are in a position to do that?

Drew still has time to hold up a bible!

They never addressed the issue one way or the other, let alone take an official stance on the matter. Today, they officially went on record as supporting the players and what they were protesting all along and admitted they were wrong in not doing so previously, including the support of the BLM movement. Sure, actions speak louder than Goodell’s words, but these new words are sea change compared to where they were before. Good point about the star QBs. None of them joined in taking a knee. The most they would do is lock arms n the sideline in a show of unity, iirc.

Except that three years ago their position was a complete 180 from today’s announcement.

Words are a start when you consider the NFL didn’t even offer those before, either.

Less MSG!

And Kaepernick being named the NFL’s Chief Community Liaison.

Nowhere. Which makes respect for our diversity more paramount to the unique American ideal.

Bull. Inability to respect differences has always meant conflict.

I think that misses the point. It’s not about players kneeling, it’s about the NFL admitting that they were wrong about there being a systemic problem with police brutality in the black community.

Yep. And NFL superstars like Brees ...

Fair points, all. And well stated. I wonder if Goodell senses a shift in the sensibilities of America given the last 10 days. I wonder if the networks do as well even if the current broadcast deal still has a few seasons to run. I agree with the idea of pulling the plug in the NA at the beginning of games. It’s been a farce for a long time given the amount of disrespect I’ve witnessed long before Colin Kaepernick as well as since. Fair point.

This is the million dollar question. Me, I’m skeptical because Goodell only serves at the behest of the ownership that couldn’t be more regressive in their views on the matter. If the NFL had more owners like Mark Cuban, for example, I could see a more receptive collective, but the NFL isn’t a bastion of forward thinking when it comes to societal issues. Then again, sometimes Goodell’s job is to save the owners from themselves, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope.