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This is the million dollar question. Me, I’m skeptical because Goodell only serves at the behest of the ownership that couldn’t be more regressive in their views on the matter. If the NFL had more owners like Mark Cuban, for example, I could see a more receptive collective, but the NFL isn’t a bastion of forward thinking when it comes to societal issues. Then again, sometimes Goodell’s job is to save the owners from themselves, so maybe there’s a glimmer of hope.

Considering where the NFL was during the Colin Kaepernick protests, momentous is the only word I can think of. But your larger point is well taken. The nfl has been tone deaf for a long time.

*****! Another hope dashed.

This is momentous, imo. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiIwLOs4uvpAhU6g3IEHVhuBTIQxfQBMAB6BAgKEAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2020%2F06%2F05%2Fsport%2Froger-goodell-responds-nfl-stronger-together-video%2Findex.html&usg=AOvVaw0o0V4sj7jxyHaL0eteCYZx

Well, now I’m confused. I got people telling me that BECAUSE he’s a 5th round pick he’s expendable immediately, but if he was a high round pick the Bills would overlook the offense and now I’m told that even though he’s a 5th round pick but he’s a QB, so the team will give him slack. But it’s it one round later at another position, that’s it, gotta cut ties immediately. Nice that then Bills have such a sliding scale of justice for racist remarks. Newsflash: the Bills gave him the opportunity to address the team, he did, and we will just have to wait and see if there’s any fallout. I can just as easily see Tre saying his response was in the heat of the moment at one of the most racially charged times in recent history and that he’s willing go give Fromm a chance to redeem himself. Not sure why that’s such a hard thing for people to believe. Well, actually I do understand why people don’t want to believe it.

Here’s an article about how Allen and the Bills went about handling any potential internal issues with Allen’s tweets from 2012, when he was 16. I suspect team leadership will be asked to participate with Fromm as well. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/bills/2018/08/15/josh-allen-eager-put-racist-tweets-revelation-past/994524002/

The media did not get that wrong, the economists who forecasted those statistics got it wrong. It’s more accurate to blame the actual sources.

Point 1: Of course it’s a moral argument. I don’t impose double standards for racist comments. I don’t think the team will, either. But we will see. The idea that you can separate locker room dynamics from the game itself is naive. But it’s nice to know that if Fromm were taken in the first round, you’d be willing to cut him some slack for the very offense you want him cut for now. Point 2: Don’t presume that I’m not highly offended because I don’t preclude the players’ willingness to forgive based on their skin color. And that “flag” I’m carrying centers around the idea of forgiveness, the ability to change, the opportunity for growth, and the collective idea of the team being able to move forward. If you can’t see that in what I’ve posted, then just move on rather than put bogus motivations behind my posts.

To point 1: I can’t agree with this. On several levels. Not the least of which a player’s draft status has no bearing on the magnitude or lack thereof of a racist comment he made. Racism deserves no double standard. For anyone. To point 2: I’m white and I AM highly offended by Fromm’s text. I’m also willing to see an opportunity for forgiveness and acceptance by both black and white players alike. I reject this idea that any black player on the team might be precluded from forgiving Fromm on the basis of his skin color. That punk had it coming, though. JP may have been the most arrogant rookie in history.

Is Tre gonna go all Troy Vincent on his ass?

Another good point here. We can’t go around demanding change and then rejecting it when people attempt it.

That’s an interesting point about forgiveness. It’s the crux of the entire movement, imo. Without it, we can’t move forward as a society. Especially when it comes to young people. Unfortunately, I get the feeling some will castigate Tre White if he does end up accepting Fromm’s apology. Too many people selling Tre White short on this issue, imo.

I’ve been advocating for a return to rigorous teaching of civics in our schools, but for many reasons (most contrived and deliberate, but that’s another story) we’ve left an entire generation on their own to learn about governmental constructs and the roles various departments and agencies play. What does this have to do with your post? One of the things I’ve been advocating for is including instruction on how to interface with LEOs in the course of our day. Of course that cuts both ways. There has been a dearth of training of LEOs in this country in many jurisdictions. Not all, but many. And I see that as the crux of the issue. That and the fact that so many LEOs can’t or won’t live in the communities they serve. Officers need to be seen in plain clothes as ordinary people supporting local businesses and not strictly as a uniformed enforcement officer in a squad car. It used to be that way in many communities. So, you’re saying Joe D was right all along! I knew it!

Good point.

It’s not that complicated. Is practicing racism a destructive activity in society or not? If so, then those who engage in it should be called out and exposed because it’s not enough to simply not be a racist yourself. The vast majority of people aren’t racist and yet, here we are still having this discussion as an evolved species. The process of a racist apologizing, having that apology accepted, and experience real growth as a human being is not inconsistent with my stance at all. Indeed, it’s a requirement of us all if we are going to enact real sustainable change. If you and others wish to keep silent when witnessing it, fine. I understand and won’t hold you in contempt. It’s not always easy or convenient to speak up when we see it, especially if it’s someone we love and are close to who is the one we are calling out. Thanks for the timeline. When Tre comes out and says it’s either him or Fromm, I’ll say it’s a problem. I’ll continue to hope it can be worked out in the meantime.

That was before Fromm offered to address the team. Do you or Jamal Adams know how Tre White and the rest of the team responded to that?

Maybe it’s a problem, maybe it’s not. That remains to be seen. All this conjecture in the meantime is a waste of time. There is no more evidence that this incident will fracture the locker room than there is that it won’t. I see potential for real growth as a team. Others see only the doom and gloom and want Fromm to be cut immediately. We talk about needing real change I this country. This is an opportunity to for certain individuals to do that.

Two trillion dollar injection of liquidity by the taxpayers, the market pumps.

I never said the response was proper. I said , “if it was proper, then why did the police lie about it initially. My earlier post in this thread clearly states it was NOT proper.

If Fromm were selected in the first round, would you feel differently about how the Bills should treat this incident? EDIT: Here’s a good reason for keeping him: the team accepted Fromm’s request to address the team and apologize yesterday, the players accepted the apology, and they want to put it behind them as a group. If that’s ok with his teammates and coaches, why shouldn’t it be ok for the rest of us?

40 million unemployed and the times they are a boomin! Yippee!!

My hope is that the hot and humid weather in some areas will mitigate the spread, but yeah, I’m hoping I’m wrong about seeing an uptick in a couple weeks.

I understand the sentiment, but the last nine days have been transformative for a lot of people. It’s quite possible she wasn’t feeling it at all 15 months ago. I wonder if there is additional motivation though.

That is pitiful. Thanks for exposing your true colors. It will save a lot of time in the future.

The ability to forgive your teammates is essential in any locker room. That’s obvious.