BringBackFlutie

To be fair, we've seen Fitzpatrick and Taylor do this before. Fitz did it against the Bengals in Stevie's breakout game, at the least, but you could say the others where he racked up the stats and got the win were more Fred Jackson than him. Tyrod did it against the Titans in his first year with us. Nobody caught his passes all game, so he took things into his own hands in the 4th quarter.

Less thinking. More doing.

I think the criteria needs to be specified. If you consider wins, pre-snap recognition, throwing mechanics, and longevity to be important, it's probably Brady. If you consider it to be a player whose play fully embodied every technical attribute of the prototypical NFL QB, it's probably Peyton Manning. If you consider it to be mental and physical ability to not only throw from the pocket, but move around and improvise, scramble for a gain, make unconventional plays via unique physical ability, and produce stats and wins while doing it, it could be Rodgers. If your criteria is all three, and you want to wait about 20 years, it will be Josh Allen. ?

Right. Case in point.

Right? It's just crazy to me how a negative opinion of someone can shape an entire false narrative of various details about that person. I'm so happy with Beane, and he seems like the hardest working GM we've had, but Whaley was on the road scouting, probably, the MOST out of our GMs.

...I think. Or this is just two threads. One for an idea and one for a lot of thoughts?

Yes. This is what I was getting at. Culture is not morality or honesty or whatever individual thing people come up with. It's a common way of being, across an organization, that is not only inherently part of every employee's actions, but also understood by them. Culture is so much closer to "what it means to be a Bill," than it is that "players here have good character." I don't care if it's a team of scum bags; if everyone is on the same page, works together towards a goal, adhering to and believing in a system, doing what everyone else does and understanding why that's important, that's a good culture (although I hesitate to define it, since a good culture can be so so much more and come in different flavors).

Seems like a lot of people in this thread don't understand what culture means. NE, for instance, has the strongest culture of any organization I've ever seen.

Are you effing kidding me? Wow.

ZOMG are you being sarcastic or is this for real!?

Eh. I never asked him for his autograph, but I got drunk with him at my local Bills bar. It was fun. He signed some dude's football, then played catch with him spiked the ball over a fence at a construction site. *Sigh* But, hey, whatever.

Same here. Had no clue.

I'm in Disney world right now and ran into an old janitor in Hollywood studios. His name tag said he was from Farmington, so I asked him if he was a Bills fan. He said "yes" and told me last week was so awesome for him because he saw OJ here. Yes- OJ is/was in Florida.

Right. It's not entirely relevant, and the thread as a whole IS a bit bizarre. It's also a fair comparison to see the dude in sunglasses and think, "Doug whaley!?" My post was indirect proof of my point.

I'm trying to spot the lesbian...

Oh. How about now? Is this working?

I mean, the first time I saw a picture of that guy I immediately thought he looked like Doug Whaley. How about this one? ...Is anyone offended?

Well. I also got super-giddy when you told me Ryan Fitzpatrick had a Favre-like gunslinger mentality. Trent Edwards will do that to you. And I'd STILL say yes. Have you seen that little bubble butt of his?

...I was wondering if you ever noticed. And no. He didn't. All of my Flutie Flakes were stolen before I could eat them. I just really dislike interceptions.

I agree with all of this, Shaw. It's the same as my feelings- it's a lot harder to take a guy who can make all the throws and refuses to make the easy ones take them, than to get a guy who can only make the easy throws and hope he'll learn how to take the harder ones. Your narration of the situation is a good example of that difference in difficulty. ...But I think the the difference in skill sets between Brady and Allen should be reconciled in Allen's play. While Allen can probably say, "yeah, I can take those throws, why not?" he also has the ability to make 30 yard frozen rope throws that thread the needle on a deep crosser and/or can open a receiver. While you don't want him always doing this, he has skills that you want him to utilize at the right times. Brady is a great QB and it's silly to think Allen could "easily" do what he does- I get it. But for sake of argument, let's assume he can. Now, in that context, would you take the guy that does all the things Brady does, or would you take a guy that does all those things, and then, on the play Brady has to throw it away, this guy completes a 30 yard pass that's open because he has the arm strength to make it so?

Eh... I think he's always gonna have a bit of a gunslinger mentality- perhaps closer to Favre's than most, but I think Allen is smarter and can become more refined. I don't think he'll throw as many picks as Favre, and I think he'll use his mobility a lot to find more open guys and make less questionable throws. I'd say, from a playing style (not necessarily success) standpoint, Allen will be like Aaron Rodgers/Steve Young, in mobility and making opportunities, with a high tendency towards Favre, in aggression. Basically, I think calling him a Favre or a Brady/Brees, is too one dimensional. I think he'll have a very diverse style of play, due to his diverse skill set and intelligence. And the aforementioned comparisons are only what we can see about him today. I don't think we've seen half of what he can/will be. I think he's still got a LOT of molding to do. He's very young and inexperienced. A coach can, essentially, take his skill set and make him whatever they want. Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm overly positive about him.

I mean, I'm not generally a grammar Nazi, but come on... Some of those paragraphs were collections of re-worded sentences to say the same thing three times in a row. ...Painful. It's also difficult for me to focus on any article that contains the (made-up) word "irregardless."

That article was terribly written. Hard to follow what he was saying at times.

Right. That's what I'm saying- smart DBs do this. "Touchdown-saving PIs," etc.

Well, they already do that. That's what most PI is.