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I think the Bills played Miami on this. Some people said Harvin was the smoke screen. Looks like it was Clay. Miami made a bunch of wonky moves to match a contract. Looks like the transition will be enough. Ha.

Brandon is probably on here a ton, marketing guy, it's (almost/maybe?) in his best interest to. Whaley on the other hand seems all business and a football guy. Maybe he occasion oly peruses, but something tells me he gives zero shites.

He may be our best option at this point given the signings today. I's also on the keep Urbik train. He can play a ton of positions on the line. Cut Williams, release less cap space but less versatile and injury prone.

Haha. I wish my retirement was in good shape. I was just thinking I've been super gung-ho on the issue. I think I've just been tainted by letting players walk for years that, now that we have talent and some cash, I'd hate for us to drop the ball. I know we should have around 50 mil next year, but that only clears because of player contract expirations. I think our top FA will cost us just about that.

We can roll that money over to next year then. Basically just putting it in the bank.

It's 7-8 mil a year to cut him the next 2/3 years. After that it's basically free. To me sending a second for a guy who if cut costs you another 8 mil, that's expensive. Let's break it down in players rather than numbers. 2nd round pick =Kiko (rip- a bit of a reach, but a solid second round pick, and kind of what you expect from a high draft pick) Salary=Dareus. That is the minimum acquiring him costs. Now if he doesn't work out he also costs you guys who will probably make about 7-8 mil so you pick which player, but you get the gist via caliber: Glenn Gilmore A.williams Iupati Hughes (at least what we offered) So worst case scenario Kaep costs you Kiko, Glenn, and Dareus...

Nope 100 times over. Not worth a first, especially with the contract. You don't give up a first for a guy you might need to replace in 2 years.

He carries quite a bit of dead money the next two years. Tough time to let him go. Year 3 is cheap to dump him. After that it's basically free. His contract counts between 15-20 against the cap so it's actually manageable. About the same as Mario in just cap dollars per year (not counting dead money if cut/traded here) The question becomes Dareus or Kaep? We couldn't have them both next year. Wonder what the cost is to get him. Cutlers contract isn't a whole lot different. Expensive this year but gets less as it progresses. A 2nd seems about right, but for a QB with a lot of questions, it seems like a lot to absorb the cap hit.

Not sure if this goes here. But is it absurd for me to think the bills should spend about 10 mil this year and roll the other 10 to next year to sign our own guys back? Basically I think that means Iupati, Hughes, or Revis only. Or a few role players. That 10 mil basically pays Dareus next year, basically just adding his salary of 8 this year to that roll over. That should leave us with the same money-ish we have now and can get done at least 2 of the 3 in Gilmore Bradham and Glenn on top of Marcel. There is a lot of talk about the ability to restructure. That just delays the inevitable I think.

Technically it's not too late. His contract is pretty friendly to cut I think, but not friendly in cap dollars if I remember correctly

Hey Cap Gurus, how much roll over do we have this year? I know that can't roll over twice so just trying to see what our rollover might be next year.

. Rodgers gets pummeled behind his line. Wasn't he the most sacked or hit QB in the league in the last few years. That doesn't mean I dislike the signing of it happens. The money being spent is worrisome to me based on the guys needing contracts next year. But that's a different discussion. I really think Urbik is fine at G, not great, not bad. Sitting between Wood and Bulaga/Glenn would be really beneficial for him and mask a lot of deficiencies. Similar (but opposite) to how rough Wood was last year between Whoever we had at G out there. If we sign a starting RT We are probably OK at G right now. If the plan is Henderson, we still need G help.

I believe those all go towards the cap. Could be wrong. This was my point about bounty gate. More than the pay for play and dirty hits. Illegally spending money and having it not go to the cap was a red flag for me.

This is my issue with the trade. I can rationalize the skill for skill part. We didn't miss Kiko last year at all. But what the trade also does by proxy is cost is resigning one of our own. Cap space is right around 25 mil, -5 for rookies, 10 for Shady. That leaves us around 10 mil to resign Bradham, Dareus, Glenn, Gilmore. In essence this move may cost us Kiko and one of the above.

Eh. We are terrible at gaurd, he's a gaurd with no team. I would hope his name comes up at a meeting. Can you give info on the QB resolution that nobody is talking about?

I was already to post that I thought Oher's arm length might be too long to shift inside, but looking it up, they really aren't, though it is possible, not sure it translates. It is weird he played well at RT for a while, then not even close. Also 10 games at Ol Miss doesn't mean he can do it productively in the NFL. He has poor footwork, and arms on the longer side (although he isn't as long as i thought (that's what she said)) If he is super cheap, and very little bonus so he can be cut, go for it, but otherwise pass.

Pat Kirwan made a really good point today, if You don't like the goal line personel on the field, spread everybody out. It either forces a mismatch in coverage, where you look towards the pylon, or forces the pats to take a TO. Not defending the play call, but in theory the Seahawks picked on an undrafted rookie FA to win the game. It was a winnable match up on paper, guy made a good play.

Just at the CB position alone, I think NE is at least equal

At the time it made sense though. Both were productive, and both coming off injury. Culpepper with a knee and Brees with a shoulder. If you had to pick a between a QB with a bad knee or bad shoulder, which would you choose?

If it's a boy name it Vince (Lombardi)

I am not being dramatic, that is the measurements of the entirety of Patriot Place in comparison to the Galleria Mall. Sure Gillette has the same footprint (within reason) of every other NFL stadium, I am talking about the entirety of the complex, and implementing something very similar in Buffalo, so total area should be taken into account. If you can get it to work within a street grid great, but how many blocks of downtown land/street scape will be dedicated to parking lots? Tear down the main place mall, it is a disaster/eye sore. Fun fact that used to be a "park" in the middle of the city. It was green space for public use/gatherings It would be cool, and work well with canalside if that were turned into some sort of walking plaza.

Ummm OK....In a passing offense that was ranked approximately average: 18th in yards 13th in attempts 15th in TD's. Chandler put up similar numbers to what the offense is doing on average. In fact much closer to what the offense averages out, than what our number one and two receivers did relative to the offense Watkins 35th in receptions 22nd in yards 23rd in TD's Woods Tied for 35th in receptions 50th in yards 65th in TDs Are both these guys below average as well. Based on the numbers you posted, Chandler is better at his position than our 1 and 2 receivers. Now I don't believe it, and I wouldn't even attempt arguing it, but based on your line of thinking, Watkins is well below average at his position and Woods is right around average at his. The offense is terrible. Chandler is not Jimmy Graham, but his production would be above average in an offense that performed (QB position/playcalling) above average. While we are at it. Lets just cut Watkins, because he is so far below average. Cut him because we need an upgrade! That is super fair actually. As long as we have improved upon it, agreed. I still think he can be an asset on the roster, and create mismatches, but I would be on board. I don't know why, but I am terrified of the cap in the coming years, so other than guard/QB, spending in FA makes me nervous. That is probably just me. But Hughes, Gilmore, Bradham, Dareus, are all going to cost us money down the line. If we find a QB in FA, that will eat away at that too. I think Chandler becomes remarkably better with better play at the QB position.

Who is your replacement. By cutting him outright, are we now worse off at the position than where we started?

I understand economic growth, and its need in Buffalo, but please nothing like Patriot Place in Buffalo. The lot size is approximately a half a square mile, think, half of Kenmore. If you need something to go off of, it is about 3-4 times the lot size of the Galleria Mall. And people want to put that on the waterfront(ish). Something like this doesn't act synergy with the canalside area, it actually is the opposite. Paving a good portion of downtown for more or less a mall is a terrible idea. Skating, music, the riverwalk or whatever they are calling what is going in there, do not work hand in hand with small village sized shopping centers. There is a reason that this place is built 30 miles outside of Boston, and it isn't just available real estate.

I've said for a while that any cap number should include coaching and scouts/gm